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#1 12-03-06 21:27:45

Trentender
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Fleet - SAFED Training

To the Fleet registered amongst us.

I've just got my pack through & now have to send £100 for 2 extra days training. The information pack was very confusing so if anyone can enlighten me I'd appreciate it.

Is it all worth it??


:? :? :?


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#2 12-03-06 21:33:16

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

2 days extra training???

what to talk to a white van man and cajole him into improving his driving ? do they think we're useless idiots or something  roll


Im so good its unbelievable

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#3 12-03-06 21:38:02

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

I'm wary of just blowing £100 on this "2 day" course. I thought the whole idea of being DSA fleet registered was more than good enough.


If its the 'Taking Part' & not 'Winning' that counts then why bother keeping score!!

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#4 12-03-06 22:26:31

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

I'm wary of just blowing £100 on this "2 day" course. I thought the whole idea of being DSA fleet registered was more than good enough.

So try reading the information and then engage brain before opening mouth.  Less change of putting your foot in it then!

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#5 12-03-06 23:42:52

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

If you read the info they sent you (or just read their website), you will see that the training is actually free.

The training for trainers is free. However we do ask for a deposit which is refundable when you start training drivers.

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#6 13-03-06 07:47:50

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Not quite free!

You pay up front and get it refunded as you do clients.

Even so, it looks a good possibility. Some people will be put off by the paperwork and invoicing regimes.

If you don't fancy all that then PM me and I can organise it through my other company - The Big Red Fleet Company. You'll still earn very good money!

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#7 13-03-06 08:58:37

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Not quite free!

Thankyou Bigred & Nimrod - something constructive.

AdiNigel - Sarcastic comments help no one. I have simply asked for others opinions. I hope you are more tactful with your pupils!!


If its the 'Taking Part' & not 'Winning' that counts then why bother keeping score!!

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#8 13-03-06 12:33:41

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

bigred wrote:

Not quite free!

Thankyou Bigred & Nimrod - something constructive.

AdiNigel - Sarcastic comments help no one. I have simply asked for others opinions. I hope you are more tactful with your pupils!!

Perhaps if you had tried reading the information through a couple of times you would have found it less confusing.

How much fleet training have you done and for how many companies?  You will find that most companies put their own spin on the training so some extra training is often required before you can do work for any particular fleet company.

More tactful with my pupils?  Perhaps, but then again perhaps not.  Depends on the situation really.

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#9 13-03-06 17:17:58

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Actually AdiNigel the 2 days training is not company specific. These 2 days are required regardless of company.

Maybe you shouldn't be so smug when you clearly don't know the facts yourself!


If its the 'Taking Part' & not 'Winning' that counts then why bother keeping score!!

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#10 13-03-06 20:09:50

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Actually AdiNigel the 2 days training is not company specific. These 2 days are required regardless of company.

Maybe you shouldn't be so smug when you clearly don't know the facts yourself!

Pardon?  What do you mean the training is not company specific?  The training is to train the trainers in how the DOT / SAFED want the training to be performed, so it is VERY company specific.  It exactly the same as companies like Drive & Survive want their trainers to be trained in how D&S want the product presented, similarly with RoSPA, IAM, DSE and any others you care to mention, every one of them will prefer to put a new trainer through some sort of induction before being allowed to train.

I very rarely put both feet in or even one foot in before I know the facts, so which bit do I

trentender wrote:

'clearly know nothing about'?

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#11 14-03-06 08:41:42

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

SAFED / DOT are not Fleet company's. Regardless of whether you work for Bigred, Drive & Survive etc you will still need to pass the 2 day course.

SAFED simply handles the admin whilst farming the training out to others.


My post was simply to ask opinions & gain further information. You haven't added anything constructive with smug comments & sarcasm. If you have something constructive to share then please do.


If its the 'Taking Part' & not 'Winning' that counts then why bother keeping score!!

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#12 14-03-06 20:16:55

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

SAFED / DOT are not Fleet company's. Regardless of whether you work for Bigred, Drive & Survive etc you will still need to pass the 2 day course.

Sorry, but has anyone suggested otherwise?  I certainly haven't.

trentender wrote:

SAFED simply handles the admin whilst farming the training out to others.

Which is all the likes of Drive & Survive and the other fleet companies do, they farm the actual training out to the independant trainers.

trentender wrote:

My post was simply to ask opinions & gain further information. You haven't added anything constructive with smug comments & sarcasm. If you have something constructive to share then please do.

All the info that has come out so far was very clearly given in the information pack had you bothered to read past the 'contribution to training' part.  Oh, apart from Big reds' offer to act as the go-between.

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#13 14-03-06 22:10:34

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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Ok - Time to take a break from this somewhat pointless argument.

You're right in saying we act as a go between - That's what we do best! Taking the hassle out of running businesses.

The payments for the Van Driver training is pretty generous and most fleet trainers we have spoken to think what we offer also amounts to a good days pay. We also front the training fees.

Same with franchise agreements - We do some things very well and if an ADI thinks it's worth the money then everyones happy.

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#14 14-03-06 22:18:01

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
Posts: 4,739

Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Ok - Time to take a break from this somewhat pointless argument.

You're right in saying we act as a go between - That's what we do best! Taking the hassle out of running businesses.

The payments for the Van Driver training is pretty generous and most fleet trainers we have spoken to think what we offer also amounts to a good days pay. We also front the training fees.

The payments for the SAFED training is an exceptionaly good rate compared to the normal fleet job rate when working through most other fleet companies.  Not sure why they felt it had to be so high, or is the rate comparable to standard training rates in the HGV market?  and this training targeted HGV fleets before being filtered down to Van fleets.

Big red wrote:

Same with franchise agreements - We do some things very well and if an ADI thinks it's worth the money then everyones happy.

Regards,

Same with any agreement, if both sides are happy......

Nigel


National Standards Cycling Instructor, Ex Adi

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#15 15-03-06 14:09:36

bigred
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From: Kent
Registered: 25-02-04
Posts: 1,592
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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Hi, The rate is sufficient for us to be able to offer £125 per candidate which should work out at £250 per day. If you compare that to the measely amount some of the other 'go between' companies are offering then you may wish to call us to see if we can accomodate you.

Regards,

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#16 15-03-06 21:03:33

Trentender
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From: Nottingham
Registered: 13-04-05
Posts: 89
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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

Hi Bigred,

I have sent you a PM.


If its the 'Taking Part' & not 'Winning' that counts then why bother keeping score!!

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#17 22-07-06 11:50:11

bigred
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From: Kent
Registered: 25-02-04
Posts: 1,592
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Re: Fleet - SAFED Training

SAFED have just announced a further increase in the trainers they wish to recruit for the "Free driver training for white van man" They have also increased each trainers allocation from 16 to 30 clients.

If anyone is currently fleet registered and would like 15 days work @ £250 per day - (We also pay for your 2 day training course up front) then please pm me pretty quick!

Our aim is to get at least 20 trainers across England. We have 12 trainers already trained, a further 5 being submitted to SAFED/Momenta later this week, but we would really like to get some trainers in the West Country and perhaps up in the North East.

Regards,

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