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#1 03-03-04 16:57:52

jonks
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Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Is the pass plus course really worth doing? my girlfriend passed her test a short while ago and is now going on about doing a Pass plus course.

I understand that a small insurance discount can be realised, but are ther many other benefits?

I recon the insurance discount could probably be achieved by shopping around for a better quote anyway.

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#2 03-03-04 17:31:02

DAVE-ADI
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Pass Plus isn't just about getting cheaper insurance.  It should cover the topics that aren't covered on the basic lessons,  i.e. motorway driving.

On insurance,  young drivers can get really good discounts.  I've done four Pass Plus courses this year.  One lad saved over £400 on a quote by doing PP.


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#3 03-03-04 17:35:22

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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Depends on the person, the insurer and the instructor to a degree.

For the insurance it gives one years no claims bonus which will help with the insurance for several years. I've not looked into the insurance costs and shopping around so it may be better to get insurance from a company that doesn't recognise pass plus.

The training is particularly good for nervous persons who may panic the first time they go on a motorway, drive in the dark or whatever.

Given the chance, driving in bad weather can be a VERY good part of the pass plus training. Go out on any icy day and see how many people follow WAY too close, can't get up a hill or have no clue what to do when they turn the steering and continue in a straight line. Pass plus can give a new driver skills that they would either never learn or learn by trial and error (not a good way to learn, sitting in 1/4 ton of steel travelling at 70mph sideways along a footpath).
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#4 03-03-04 17:35:56

jonks
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Blimey! What was he insuring? A Ferrari!?  tongue

No, seriously though, could someone detail what might be covered in Pass Plus that isn't in the standard driving course?


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#5 03-03-04 17:41:55

Bob_FOADS
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

What is coverd is listed at http://foads.com under the pass plus section (pass plus logo at the bottom left of the screen. nice oppertunity for a plug for my site  lol )

Alternativly, check out http://passplus.org.uk/modules.asp

BOb
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#6 03-03-04 18:26:19

Liesa
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi all

Just back to the subject of the insurance discount, I've known some 17 year old lads get upto £1800 discount for completing the course.

If you enquire about insurance it's worth just asking for a standard quote first, then ask for a quote with pass-plus!

I was told Norwich Union offer 50% discount with pass-plus, but I'm sure they're not the cheapest on the market price wise.


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#7 03-03-04 20:39:44

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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

I have had pupils saving from 100 to 1600 pounds on their insurance premiums. At the end of the day, if you save more than you spend on the passplus course its well worth doing. Not only will you gain valuable professional experience in new environments, but if you stay claim free, the following years no claims discounts will be added saving you even more again.

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#8 04-03-04 01:10:50

CarADI
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Parents of one of my pupils bought him a 206 last autumn and the insurance was £3100 :shock:

Got him a rebate of £1200  big_smile from his insurance company, after pass plus.

#9 06-03-04 12:02:15

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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

I had a pupil that compleated pass plus last week. He had just got himself an old  Fiat Panda 75cl and the insurance was £1500. On compleation of Pass Plus the premium came down to £800.This was with Norwich Union.He had other quotes for £1300 but didn't offer Discounts for Pass Plus.   big_smile


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#10 06-03-04 12:57:51

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I consider Pass Plus to be essential continuation training for new drivers.

The emphasis is on defensive driving, hazard perception and anticipation.  It is also one of the few opportunities to get proper instruction on Motorways.

If you want to do your girlfriend a real favour and give her something that will stand her in good stead for the rest of her life buy her a Pass Plus course.

Badger


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#11 06-03-04 15:06:31

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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi Everyone,

The Pass Plus Course is basically 6 modules over a minimum of 6 hours.

The Modules are -

[list]Introduction & Town Driving
All Weather Driving
Rural Driving
Night Driving
Dual Carriageway Driving
Motorway Driving[/list:u]

Which of these modules do you most excellent instructors not teach prior to the pupil taking a test?

Just Motorway?

I'm based in Folkestone, where we have excellent access to Town centres, Dual carriageways and Rural roads, We have our fair share of bad weather and night descends on us a little too early most days.

Yes, these extra lessons gives pupils a greater exposure to these subjects, but surely there should a more flexible PP curriculum that enables the ADI to teach what we believe needs teaching for each pupil. Personally, I think a list of 12 to 20 modules could be offered, with pupils and instructors deciding on a minimum of 6 that best suit the needs of the pupil.

Discuss!

(but have fun doing it)

Regards,

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#12 06-03-04 18:19:01

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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi red,
Brilliant idea but try to get it past DSA  :cry:  :cry:

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#13 06-03-04 18:21:51

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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi Jeff,

I thought if I could get it past you guys first it would stand a better chance!

But the DSA - I know what your'e saying.

Regards,

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#14 06-03-04 20:34:32

Liesa
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi all

Couldn't agree more with bigred

Which of these modules do you most excellent instructors not teach prior to the pupil taking a test?

Just Motorway?

I've thought the sylabus has needed updating for a long time now, I'm sure I read somewhere that later this year, exactly that is going to happen!

#15 07-03-04 00:10:36

Badger
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Having a syllabus with many topics and allowing the ADI and the trainee to decide what they will cover will undermine the validity of the course from the point of view of the Insurance companies.

There will have to be a set minimum that is covered to make it a credible training exercise and if too much is added to the course it will become unaffordable and less attractive when compared to available discounts on Insurance Premiums.

It is something that I, for one, hope that the Government doesnt rush into with its usual lack of forethought.

Badger

#16 07-03-04 08:18:16

bigred
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi Badger,

My original thinking was off the top of my head, your right some careful though is needed.

Perhaps a core Curriculum of 4 items with 2 of 6 optional ones might be better.

Regards,

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#17 07-03-04 20:42:38

CarADI
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Pass Plus is going to get a big boost this month as DSA are going on TV, Radio and into newspapers with new publicity about it, to generate more enthusiasm for new drivers to take the training.

#18 22-03-04 21:18:22

yellowandblack
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

i have difficulty selling pass plus as i do as much as pass plus modules b4 my students test...except the m/way naturally

#19 22-03-04 21:37:30

Unplugged
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

How can you do bad weather modules say in the middle of summer hmm

Do you just wait till it goes foggy and then go "Quick better book a lesson with x,y,z" :?

How about how to not back into a petrol pump an hour after passing like a mate of mine lol

#20 23-03-04 08:33:15

Liesa
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Hi yellowandblack

If you're doing your job well you should be teaching most of the Pass-Plus sylabus prior to them taking their test. However you can use the course to help them gain more experience in these areas, and also teach them other things as well. e.g On the town module I always take them up a multi story car park, night driving becomes night driving on rural roads, and so on I hope this helps, if not let me know and I'll get back to you. I have to go duty calls.

#21 23-03-04 10:05:05

DAVE-ADI
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Unplugged,
Bad weather driving can be covered as a theory topic in the middle of summer.    I have handouts which I provide.   

Y&B - although town driving is covered extensively on the basic lessons,  taking them into other towns  for Pass Plus can really test them, because it is a new place.     I live fairly near to Manchester, which has trams sharing the roads, and makes it very interesting if you miss a sign!


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#22 23-03-04 12:38:56

rusty
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Re: Is Pass Plus really worth doing?

Well said Dave - ADI,
                                 Took mine to M/C the other week, around the universities and the curry mile in Rushholme, well worth the experience.

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