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#1 05-01-16 19:57:34

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#2 06-01-16 22:36:45

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#3 07-01-16 23:12:50

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Re: Driving Instructors are not very good

The video makes some fair points. The majority of learners will never see a horse during their lessons, and the theory test is just a hurdle to pass and then forget. I doubt if 5% of my pupils have ever looked at a highway code never mind read it.

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#4 08-01-16 18:43:24

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Re: Driving Instructors are not very good

It doesn't really criticise driving instructors though does it?

It highlights the fact that rural,road driving forms very little of the driving test so many drivers don't appreciate the risks. It's a very fair point.

I dedicate at least 4 hours to specific rural road risks, but I know few in my area do the same and I'm in a mostly rural county.

These unthinking drivers are the same ones that in town will try to get up to 30 at inappropriate times and locations.
You can't educate pork!

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#5 09-01-16 08:31:14

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We have to advise people to drive slowly around horses roll  roll  we have to put speed bumps in front of schools  roll  roll
WHY? Not because people are not trained to drive properly, it's just that a lot of people have no !!!!!!!! common sense.

What shall we do next, tell people when they buy a house not to put a screwdriver in the socket!!

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#6 09-01-16 10:18:31

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Evan wrote:

... a lot of people have no !!!!!!!! common sense. What shall we do next, tell people when they buy a house not to put a screwdriver in the socket!!

A good comment Evan, applies to the NT too.
I think the problem is universal among human drivers, a famous scientist (Einstein I think) said that two things are never ending, the Universe and human stupidity - although he wasn't sure about the first one.
On a packet of peanuts: "may contain nuts". With a kid's Superman costume: "Warning, cape does not enable wearer to fly".
There are funnier (genuine) ones around, I can't get my hands on them right now.

And take the NT's mini roundabouts for example, they are put in residential areas to eliminate the need for speed bumps and they work very well.
People hate traffic lights, they hate speed-bumps, but they love roundabouts (no waiting at a $#@!!! red), so they accept the little roundabouts without writing outraged letters to the local newspaper.

We have a road rule that if a driver encounters a person herding livestock on the road, the driver must obey that person's directions, a sensible rule I think, but I would bet the average NT motorist has no idea this rule exists.
Like Kaf I don't see that the video criticises instructors, as Even says people don't consider the reality (horses regard anything strange as a potential "horse eater").
Every week in the local rag there are motorists insisting that other road users (cyclists etc) "get off the roads", they think roads are for motorcars trucks etc only - and hate to be slowed down for any reason.

Good to see the Forum stirring back to life again!

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#7 10-01-16 09:41:30

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Unfortunately Zipper, stupidity, thoughtlessness and people walking around in a stupor no longer surprises me, it's that moment every now and again when you meet someone who has common sense and thinks outside the box.
I had a lad pass last year and an 18 year old girl I am teaching now, I have to keep reminding myself they are only 17/18 respectively, so grown up, so much common sense neither go or are going to Uni, both working though.
The lad comes from a very well off background, the young lady is being brought up by her mum.

I guess God just blesses you with one or two every year just to save your sanity! ?

Hope you are well and happy new year to you!

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#8 12-01-16 10:58:41

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Brilliant post Evan - common sense is the missing thing.

We could take pupils out to the country side but what are the chances of seeing a horse? in the passed 10 years I have probably saw max 20 horses, and I'm in the country side every other day. Same goes for people who will start learning in May, smash the lessons and pass in 3-4 months. They don't understand how to use window wipers because they have never had to use them. New cars come with automatic lights and wipers, pupil gets an old car and again doesn't know how to use them!

Be much better to teach people that bikes and horses are very similar, give lots of room and pass slow, or you may end up on a youtube video!   lol

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#9 12-01-16 21:58:32

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TDAScott wrote:

... They don't understand how to use window wipers because they have never had to use them. New cars come with automatic lights and wipers, pupil gets an old car and again doesn't know how to use them! ...

As more & more things become automated, this will be a common problem.
It's worse down here where a learner in Darwin can drive for 6-8 months without rain, then be confronted with a monsoonal downpour (sometimes on the day of their test).
Learners in the drier part of the country might never experience rain until they've been driving for a few years or so.

Last year I entered a roundabout in rain so heavy the wipers couldn't keep up (there was no place to pull over), the car in front wobbled as it went round and I wondered if the driver was inebriated.
Then I saw what was happening - his wipers were apparently not working at all because he was leaning out of the window with his hand on the outside of the windscreen, trying to clear a small patch for him to see  roll


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#10 13-01-16 00:26:31

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When I first saw this video I took the time to compose what I thought was a considered and constructively critical reply.  Unfortunately the author of the video decided, for some reason, to remove my comment and prevent further comments being made.  It is a shame that they evidently didn't feel they could justify their stance.

In spite of being generally positive about the video I pointed out one aesthetic issue in that I found the music attempted to elicit an emotional response.  I don't think that this subject should be dealt with in such a way and no music would have been better.

In addition, I questioned the actions of the riders madly flapping their arms up and down when trying to get drivers to slow down.  Surely, when a horse is likely to get spooked it makes much more sense to concentrate on trying to remain calm and keeping the horse calm as well.  It's a bit like a driving instructor getting panicky and shouting when a learner makes a mistake.  It doesn't help them and ultimately doesn't help you either.  Furthermore, the attempts by the rider to get drivers to slow down is likely to have one of three effects.  Either the driver will roundly ignore the rider and carry on anyway or may swerve as they look round to try to establish what all the flapping is for or stomp on the brake.  The second two of these seem more likely to make the horse spook rather than less likely; the former achieves nothing.

Yes, we need to make all our pupils aware of the way to treat horse riders.  Yes, a general education video would be a useful thing.  But it needs to be done in a controlled way so that everyone understands the best way of doing so.

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#11 13-01-16 08:30:43

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I still find it bizarre that basic intelligence is missing with people.

Why would someone drive fast past a horse?
Why are speed bumps necessary outside of schools, when everyone has attended school and knows the risks from cars going fast and children running out!
Why do people cross the road texting without looking?
Why do pupils ask how much over the LIMIT they can drive?

A constant trend of let someone else take responsibility, when they do something wrong they either get aggressive and defensive or act like spoilt brats.

Simple equation, Drive car = responsibility for self, passengers and other road users!
If they can't handle that then don't drive, but don't keep expecting others to fill the gaps in for a lazy, can't be bothered, it's not my fault attitude.
The fact is it's easy to look at what happens in the car in training, and apportion blame on instructors, many of the problems we encounter on the road were nurtured in the cradle and the formative years. (How many actually learn the Highway Code for the theory test, then apply it?).
Trying to educate an idiot is like trying to knock a wall down with your head, you end up with a headache, frustrated and the idiot and the wall remain in exactly the same state.

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#12 14-01-16 09:33:28

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After much observation and analysis I have now been able to announce the answer.

Humans are essentially selfish as s holes.


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