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#1 11-05-15 05:40:08

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Counterpart changes: what will you do?

I'm sure everyone is aware of the changes on the June 8th, but I'm interested to know what you're intending to do to check people's licences.

1) Will you ask your clients for the info needed to use the 'View Your Licence' system?   (Driver no., NI no. Post code)
2) Will you ask them to go online and use the 'Share Your Licence Info' system and provide you with the code and the last bit of their driver no? And do this within 72 hrs of meeting you!
3) Phone the DVLA while they are in the car on the first lesson? (0300 083 0013)
4) Something else?

More info here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driv … ce-changes

Option 1 seems to need less timely involvement from the client.
Option 2 seems potentially more complicated.
Option 3 - don't know how easy this would be eg what info will they ask for. And if if doesn't work, lesson abandoned!

So, what's your plan for June!  cool


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#2 11-05-15 06:07:02

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

The requirement is to ensure they have a valid licence. Currently a valid licence is BOTH parts. Hence we check both parts.

From June a valid licence will be ONE Part, as far as I am,concerned, I will be checking that one part and nothing else unless,my insurance company advises me that I need to do something else.

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#3 11-05-15 06:19:23

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

So, Option 4 for Kaf!  wink

Do they have to surrender their photocard if they get banned?


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#4 11-05-15 07:20:14

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Hi

Coasting Mart wrote:

So, Option 4 for Kaf!  wink

Do they have to surrender their photocard if they get banned?

NO they don't if it is a short period ban.

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#5 11-05-15 07:35:36

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Also option 4.   The majority of my customers are beginners who can't even move the car before a lesson starts, so there is probably nil chance that they will have been banned for a motoring offence.    Like kaf I won't be checking, apart from asking if they are legal.

DVSA won't be checking candidates for test, so if a check of the plastic part is good enough for them it's good enough for me too.

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#6 11-05-15 09:18:10

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

I think the DVSA are probably in a different legal position than us. And you can't book a test unless the computer says 'yes', so unlikely to have been banned in between booking and doing it perhaps!

Apart from car clients, I also meet and greet between 4 & 8 motorcycle clients every week and need to check they have a licence!  It'll be a great help not to have to get them to remember to bring the piece of paper along!  Almost certainly get it checked in the office when they book.  Wondering which system to use.  The 'share' thing with it's 72hr deadline, and requiring positive action by the client, seems more of a faff.

As with everything to do with legal or insurance stuff; it's not a problem, until it's a problem!   cool


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#7 11-05-15 11:37:37

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Does anybody know what the score is for theory tests? ie do they just need to take the photocard? Do they need any other form of ID?

I did ask this question to DVSA and they couldn't give me a straight answer.

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#8 11-05-15 12:16:21

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

pegasus wrote:

Hi

Coasting Mart wrote:

So, Option 4 for Kaf!  wink

Do they have to surrender their photocard if they get banned?

NO they don't if it is a short period ban.


I had someone who was banned for 14 days for speeding doing 102mph in a 70 last year and they had to return both parts.

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#9 11-05-15 13:48:57

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Joe24 wrote:

Does anybody know what the score is for theory tests? ie do they just need to take the photocard? Do they need any other form of ID?

I did ask this question to DVSA and they couldn't give me a straight answer.

They will only need the photocard for the driving test so it should be the same for the theory test.   The paper part was never really needed for the theory test anyway because they didn't need to know about points on licence.

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#10 11-05-15 18:22:57

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Hi
Same as kaf.
Peter


Dont press that,oh @@##!

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#11 11-05-15 18:28:56

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

What happens when the examiner asks the candidate "Do you still live at the same address" and the answer is "No" when they produce the ID Card only?

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#12 11-05-15 18:47:58

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

I thought new licences came with a slip for changeout address notification. Would have thought they could take that along.
Best reason for not shredding the old counterpart as well.

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#13 13-05-15 20:32:23

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

I will as always be using my own judgement, if I have serious reason to suspect the pupil is not entitled to drive I will use the easiest avenue of checking, as the majority, if not all my pupils come from backgrounds/environments that would not knowingly book driving lessons where they were not entitled to.

Let's not forget, you do not need to be in current physical position of a driving licence to be able to drive. If your driving licence got accidentally flushed down the toilet tonight never to be seen again, you would still go to work tomorrow!!!

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#14 18-05-15 08:54:12

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Interesting answers. I have to admit that I'm a little surprised that so few are thinking of checking beyond seeing the photocard.
I thought I might try and ask the DVLA how they see it, so emailed them and got this back. No great surprise at the answer! 

"Thanks for your email regarding which service to use. View Driving Licence is a service which has been created by the DVLA for a driver to view their own licence details.  It has not been designed to show others their driving entitlements and endorsements, that is being covered off my the new Share Driving Licence service, which will work alongside it when released before the end of May.

If a pupil shows you their entitlements by logging onto VIEW, then that is up to the individual driver, however they should NOT be doing that or passing their personal details on to a third party to allow someone else to access the system on their behalf. Share has been designed to keep the licence holders details safe, and give the third party only the information they need to see to assess a drivers suitability to drive a vehicle.

We suggest you check with your insurer what they want you to actually check. For example one insurer may be happy that you have seen the pupils photocard, and take that as full entitlement to drive, however another insurer may want you to check their category entitlements and/or penalty points. As you know, a driver with a provisional licence can still incur points. If a driver incurs points and doesn't surrender his/her licence to the courts for update, DVLA will revoke their driving entitlement until they make contact with us.  In scenarios such as these, a pupil may well have a photocard to show you when taking a lesson as they may have not returned it to the courts for endorsement, meaning we have revoked their right to drive.

Kind Regards,

Abolition Of Counterpart Team
A2 | DVLA | Swansea | SA6 7JL
Twitter: @dvlagovuk
abolitionofcounterpart@dvla.gsi.gov.uk


I asked if there was any problem in me using the View service, rather than the Share one.  I still don't see what extra info is shown and can't see why I shouldn't use the view version. Lot easier to ask the client for 3 bits of info, rather than go to this link, follow instructions, get code, send to me with driver number, and do it no more than 72 hrs before.
I also asked whether I actually needed to check anyway.
So, I will ask my insurance co what they need me to do.

Onward, into a paperless, brave new future!  lol


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#15 18-05-15 11:24:56

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

The DVLA are saying, correctly, that a pupil may have failed to send his licence to be endorsed, and as a result it will have been revoked, although he still has the photocard..

However, if that happened under the present system he would have a photocard and counterpart, which the instructor would happily accept!

So there is no added risk under the new system. Or am I missing something?

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#16 18-05-15 13:24:49

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

Unless you check their details online before every lesson you will can never be 100% sure they have a legal entitlement to drive. So I will be doing the same as MAZ and using my own judgment.  After all their can't be many who would pay £25 per hour for driving lessons knowing they have no provisional licence and can't take a driving test.

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#17 18-05-15 18:03:17

Mentor
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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

I suppose you could try and book a theory, or a  practical test if they have passed the theory, to see if the driver number is valid. A revoked licence should not allow any test booking.
Probably quicker than the official route!

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#18 20-05-15 18:47:23

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Re: Counterpart changes: what will you do?

https://dvladigital.blog.gov.uk/2015/05 … eta-today/

Went live yesterday, for those who are interested.

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