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#1 26-01-15 09:24:17

spyder_steve
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Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

Got a student enquiring about driving lessons who has a Lithuanian driving licence
She's put "I did not drive in the UK but I have a Lithuanian driving license since 1993"

Am I correct in saying it's only valid for 2 (or 3) years from date of entry into the UK ?
And within that period they can surrender their licence for a UK one?

I was under the impression they can legally drive (as its a EU licence) providing they
obtain a full UK licence within that period ?

It's surrending their licence for a UK one im unsure about.


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#2 26-01-15 09:57:15

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

Provided she passed her test in the EU, she can drive on her Lithuanian licence until she's 70. Exchanging it for a GB one is optional.

See https://www.gov.uk/driving-nongb-licence

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#3 26-01-15 10:12:28

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

But then it says in the other hand on the gov.uk website:
"You can drive in Great Britain for only 12 months if
you got your EU licence by exchanging your non-EU licence."


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#4 26-01-15 11:51:06

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

It's not optional!
"You can drive in Great Britain on your full, valid driving licence until you’re 70, or for 3 years after becoming resident in Great Britain, whichever is longer


You can drive in Great Britain for only 12 months if you got your EU licence by exchanging your non-EU licence."
I am not sure how this is done tho; "got your EU licence by exchanging your non-EU licence"

If she is a resident since 93, she could only start legally driving in the UK from 2004 when I think Lithuania became part of the EU. Before that she would have needed to pass UK test.


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#5 26-01-15 11:54:50

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

and something else...there's so much corruption in Eastern Europe many people buy their licence, without passing any tests. Ever since the theory in UK was changed there will be more of that! It's great that UK government takes all things into account.

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#6 26-01-15 11:56:49

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

spyder_steve wrote:

But then it says in the other hand on the gov.uk website:
"You can drive in Great Britain for only 12 months if
you got your EU licence by exchanging your non-EU licence."

Did she exchange a non-EU licence for her Lithuanian one?

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#7 26-01-15 12:01:14

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

la.monikita wrote:

It's not optional!
"You can drive in Great Britain on your full, valid driving licence until you’re 70, or for 3 years after becoming resident in Great Britain, whichever is longer

"Whichever is longer". So if she's younger than 67, she can drive on her Lithuanian licence until she's 70. If she's older, she can drive on it only for three years.

Clear as mud, isn't it! hmm

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#8 26-01-15 12:21:52

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

It just doesn't make sense how you can get a EU licence and drive in the UK until your 70 or 3 years which is ever is greater, surely it should mean which ever is sooner ?!!!!!

From what I can gather she's not applied for a UK licence.. To be honest why would she ?!!!
Unless she's 67+ years... It just seems so odd


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#9 26-01-15 22:31:36

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

MGM wrote:
la.monikita wrote:

It's not optional!
"You can drive in Great Britain on your full, valid driving licence until you’re 70, or for 3 years after becoming resident in Great Britain, whichever is longer

"Whichever is longer". So if she's younger than 67, she can drive on her Lithuanian licence until she's 70. If she's older, she can drive on it only for three years.

Clear as mud, isn't it! hmm

The way I read it; when you turn 70 you are going to have re-apply for a licence anyway! So 68 year old has 2 years.

You can drive on a EU licence for the maximum of 3 years, and exchange within that period.


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#10 27-01-15 07:39:11

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

la.monikita wrote:
MGM wrote:
la.monikita wrote:

It's not optional!
"You can drive in Great Britain on your full, valid driving licence until you’re 70, or for 3 years after becoming resident in Great Britain, whichever is longer

"Whichever is longer". So if she's younger than 67, she can drive on her Lithuanian licence until she's 70. If she's older, she can drive on it only for three years.

Clear as mud, isn't it! hmm

The way I read it; when you turn 70 you are going to have re-apply for a licence anyway! So 68 year old has 2 years.

You can drive on a EU licence for the maximum of 3 years, and exchange within that period.

No, it's whichever is longer. So a 67 y-o (or a 23 y-o) is OK until he reaches 70.

That's the whole point of the EU licence: it's valid throughout the EU without any renewal requirement, except for the age one.

So when we retire at 50 to the South of France on the massive profits we've made from driving instruction, we can continue to use our UK/EU licence for 20 years. smile

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#11 27-01-15 08:25:27

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

I think I am correct in saying that all EU licences have a photo which lasts 10 years and to renew that in the UK needs the driver to have a UK licence = yes?????


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#12 27-01-15 09:10:53

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

This topic has got rather interesting..
Anyways.. She's booked in for a couple of driving lessons;
Which to be fair surprises me.

Mind running wild, not had a "qualified driver" that's wanted lessons for a little while
Especially from another country...

Just had an update, had a call this morning.....
Not driven for 9 years, wants to drive from old house to a new house
(As shes moving),

I'm hoping that she doesn't get confussed with house movals and driving lessons lol

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#13 27-01-15 20:13:53

la.monikita
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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

Sorry MGM you are wrong. If they could drive till they are 70, there would be no need for the second part of the sentence.


"You can drive in Great Britain on a full, valid driving licence from another EU country until you’re 70, or for 3 years after becoming resident in Great Britain, whichever is longer.

After this time you must exchange your licence.

1.Order form D1     from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.


2.Send the form, the £43 fee and any documents you need to (including your driving licence) to the address on the form.


3.You should get your new licence within 3 weeks.

You can only drive in Great Britain with a non-EU licence for 12 months after you arrive."



Spyder steve, it would be interesting to know where she was driving 9 years ago! I think the legislation then stated it was "exchange licence within 12 months."


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#14 27-01-15 20:46:02

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

Im getting a little mixed up here... lol
I've just read your post monikita
Think your right what your saying, there's two sections
Max age is 70...
3 years from claiming residency.

So next question..
Do u exchange it for a full UK licence within that 3 year period ?
If you leave it after 3 years in assuming the EU licence is invalid for the UK

Non-EU (continental) is straight forward, I know that one lol

Just clarify that for me...


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#15 27-01-15 20:47:38

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

ERR ...... THE PHOTO !!!

DVLA cannot replace the photo on a non UK licence when it expires so what happens when it does ?


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#16 27-01-15 20:55:36

la.monikita
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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

I am sure when she send the licence in they will change it for her anyway.

Coppers usually use discretion advising people to change it.

So yes exchange it within those 3 years, people do when they are actively driving. She was not (I hope), and did not know the rules.


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#17 31-01-15 21:47:40

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

Had this exact same conversation with a Hungarian woman a couple of months ago.    She passed her test when she was 16 and is now 41  and hadn't driven since passing her test.  Could she have some refresher lessons. 

I took her out for 10 hours and thankfully she actually did really well.  She had no paper counterpart (said they don't issue them how I am to prove otherwise?)  But the photocard WAS in date.

Her Hungarian/EU  licence has no address...just the area it was issued (I guess...it was written in Hungarian)   We have to advise DVLA of a change of address on a UK licence but as it says on the website " If you’re moving abroad, you can’t register your new address on your British driving licence. Contact the driving licence authority in your new country of residence."

So why aren't they?

I will assume also then that they can't hire a car ....

How does this work with insurance companies?  I think it's all very dodgy:/  although I think I persuaded her to swap it in I don't know if she'll get around to doing it.

Yep I'm totally clear on this too   hmm

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#18 01-02-15 07:23:52

MGM
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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

Lynne wrote:

Had this exact same conversation with a Hungarian woman a couple of months ago.    She passed her test when she was 16 and is now 41  and hadn't driven since passing her test.  Could she have some refresher lessons. 

I took her out for 10 hours and thankfully she actually did really well.  She had no paper counterpart (said they don't issue them how I am to prove otherwise?)  But the photocard WAS in date.

We're the only country in the EU to have a counterpart. It's because our computer systems weren't up to the job that everyone else managed, and it's taken us 15(?) years to catch up.

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#19 01-02-15 22:03:00

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Re: Lithuanian Driving licence enquiry

The only snag is, you can never see any points on the other licences. Also, I have had few people who either said they have bought
the licence, or the examiner was paid by someone else, and made a mistake in passing them...

The sad fact is we are going to have more people having a "real" licence and no skills. More reasons for UK fraud, but less people trying to learn with us and pass a UK theory test when they cannot fully understand the questions.  sad


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