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#1 22-10-14 18:57:47

DonT
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Bus Lanes

In most towns the bus lane is on the left so the sign usually shows the bus lane on the left. In my town there is a one way street with the bus lane on the right. Should the sign show that the bus lane is on the right or do they use the same sign for both sides?

The signs at present show that the bus lane is on the left but also have bus lane cameras where the penalty is a £60 fine. Not very pleasant if you follow the signs which contradict the road markings.

Your thoughts would be appreciated because the local council do not seem to understand.

This Google map street view will maybe make it more clear:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.56211 … e0!6m1!1e1

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Re: Bus Lanes




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#2 22-10-14 20:07:03

trunkmonkey
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Re: Bus Lanes

As a starting point:

Signs and markings for bus lanes prescribed by the Regulations are for near side lanes only. Where centre or off side with-flow lanes are required, advice should be sought from the Department before submitting an application for authorisation.

The first question to ask of the Highways Department is;
Have you sought information from the Department (I presume, DfT) before submitting an application?

I'll stand corrected but, because they are using a nearside lane sign, they haven't.

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#3 22-10-14 20:07:04

pegasus
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Re: Bus Lanes

Hi

The Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3
http://tinyurl.com/pwbv9p7

Says:

15.3 Signs and markings for bus lanes prescribed by
the Regulations are for near side lanes only. Where
centre or off side with-flow lanes are required,
advice should be sought from the Department
before submitting an application for authorisation

Perhaps an FOI application to the highways authority, Swindon or Wiltshire (not sure which it is) could result in them telling you what advice they received or try an FOI application to the DoT to find out whaat they said.

What are the odds that the authority didn't bother to ask?

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#4 22-10-14 20:11:59

kaf
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Re: Bus Lanes

I can't see any prosecution holding up with signs like that.

It's like emerging onto a one way street with no right turn signs on approach and left to right blue traffic flow signs at the junction!

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#5 23-10-14 08:56:36

DonT
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Re: Bus Lanes

Thanks for your replies. I will now be sending a suitable e-mail to the traffic managers in Swindon.

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#6 27-10-14 15:10:42

DonT
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Re: Bus Lanes

I did e-mail the local traffic manager and received thr following reply within two hours. Very impressed with the prompt service.??????



Dear Mr *********

There can be no dispute that whilst the sign illustrated in the google link below is a correct sign for a nearside bus lane and so does not itself require special authorisation from the DfT it is very much in the wrong place. It is therefore unenforceable and will need to be replaced with the correct sign.

A number of bus lane signs in Swindon were replaced fairly recently following a decision to authorise the use of bus lanes by taxis and private hire vehicles. As all of our other bus lane signs are for nearside bus lanes it seems likely that this one was taken from the stock and erected in in the wrong location.

I can confirm that we had sought and obtained special authorisation from the DfT for an offside bus lane sign.

Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.

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#7 27-10-14 19:35:48

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Re: Bus Lanes

Now busy telling the enforcement section to refund all fines!

Or maybe he will keep quiet until the local paper cottons on.

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#8 27-10-14 19:41:06

DonT
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Re: Bus Lanes

kaf wrote:

Now busy telling the enforcement section to refund all fines!

Or maybe he will keep quiet until the local paper cottons on.


Strangely when I phoned the enforcement people last week they informed me that the lane wasn't being enforced at present.

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