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#1 11-09-14 21:33:43

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#2 12-09-14 07:34:02

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

I am sure this is a result of the secrecy surrounding the questions.
They are supposed to have made them more consistent but as nobody knows and there are no independent checks and balances,
it is hardly surprising.

Reduce the fee, but increase the failure rate = similar income. ???


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#3 12-09-14 11:52:12

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Hearing more and more about questions coming up that a flipping car mechanic would struggle to answer!!  With very little feedback after the fail its often difficult to know where they have gone wrong. I say put the price UP and spend some time after going through the result with them and maybe provide a bit more written feedback so we can help more. Anyway who's gonna listen to me? The DVSA certainly won't.

My advice to pupils is read your highway code, download the latest theory/HP Apps, buy up to date theory books from Amazon, get CD's for PC's and watch youtube video's. I always say try and look for the DVSA/DSA logo and don't buy anything that's more than 6 months. The lazy pupils ignore and often fail. I do know some who do listen and do put in the hours revising and still fail.

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#4 12-09-14 12:33:46

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

The problem is questions/answers are being included which no one outside DVSA can verify for accuracy.  There needs to be an independent body checking any questions before they can be included, but will the national associations get involved?  No chance, they are too busy  making money from their SC courses to bother about helping members.

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#5 12-09-14 13:22:39

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Hi
To get any real info from these stats they need to differentiate between the  mulitple choice failures and HPT failures plus possibly failures in both parts.

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#6 12-09-14 14:22:00

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

I believe from another forum that a pupil was faced with a question, what is the size of a tow hitch ball???

I mean, come on. OK if on a B+E test but it's getting silly now.

I ask them what questions they had that were different from the DVDs and some say none,
some can't remember and some say they are not written right.  Double negatives and the like.


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#7 12-09-14 19:34:35

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

And you'd better be damn good at reading English, picking up subtle meanings, spotting double negatives, and understanding all the wrong answer options!  roll

I agree that there should be an independent board to scrutinise the question bank and the level of 'difficulty'.


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#8 13-09-14 07:35:49

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Hi

AUTAX wrote:

I believe from another forum that a pupil was faced with a question, what is the size of a tow hitch ball???

Strange one, there is no legally required size.
Modern hitches are 50mm but older vehicles and trailers used 2 inch, and enthusiasts for those older car and caravan combinations still use original type equipment.

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#9 13-09-14 08:48:02

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

pegasus wrote:

Hi

AUTAX wrote:

I believe from another forum that a pupil was faced with a question, what is the size of a tow hitch ball???

Strange one, there is no legally required size.
Modern hitches are 50mm but older vehicles and trailers used 2 inch, and enthusiasts for those older car and caravan combinations still use original type equipment.

I just believe the pupil may have misread the question!

All questions are based on the DES or HC and I can find no mention of the size of the tow hitch ball in either.

The question probably related to speed!

Don't get me wrong, I do believe many of the questions are too 'anal' and not specifically relevant for a learner driver.

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#10 13-09-14 10:34:23

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

triplea35 wrote:

I just believe the pupil may have misread the question!

All questions are based on the DES or HC and I can find no mention of the size of the tow hitch ball in either.



It's so easy to blame pupils for being wrong isn't it?     Thats the excuse DVSA always come up with when a query is raised about any question in the theory test.
When they were published at least we could challenge any which were dubious or vague.  Now no one can, which means DVSA can add any question it wants without having to have it verified as accurate.

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#11 20-09-14 11:05:59

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

The issue I am having at the moment is with the hazard perception test! Two pupils (lads) in last week who have passed the Theory side both with scores of 48 but failed the HPT part.
I'm getting pretty convinced that the reason is that more and more candidates are using Apps to practice on their mobile phones rather than sitting down at a PC and using a mouse to practice.
Keep telling them, but do they listen? smile
One has already resit and passed whilst the other has now promised to use the Theory Test Pro site I signed him up to which he has only ever visited once for 3 minutes!

Just my observations, but generally those who sit at a pc with a mouse invariably get high scores whilst those that don't fail or just scrape through.

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#12 20-09-14 18:59:32

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

I can't believe they went ahead and passed the £6 saving onto the candidates, I did contribute to the consultation but never saw the outcome. With the £14 million per anum saved the DVSA could have done so much to improve the test and the feedback.  It beggars believe that the DVSA have given up this large anual income for perhaps 5yrs for a one-off PR moment proclaiming that they are "reducing the cost of learning to drive", all but one of my pupils where unaware of the reduction.

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#13 21-09-14 06:25:10

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

It isn't DVSA who is losing the money, the new contractors will charge DVSA less to operate the test than Pearsons were.  DVSA get somewhere between £9-£12 per test from the contractor.
The new contractors should have started this year but someone cocked up on the contract, so DVSA had to renegotiate a short term contract with Pearsons to carry on, at reduced charges.

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#14 21-09-14 13:05:06

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

AUTAX there is no theory test for B+E

DVSA have, after reducing the cost of the theory test to candidates managed to increase its turnover by not publishing the questions and adding new ones that many have no knowledge of.

Roughly there has been an increase of 300,000 more theory test taken in 2013-14 than in 2012-13 at the new figure of £23 the increased income would be around £6.9 million.

Driving theory test pass rates, 2007-14
Year                                    Tests                                            Passes            Rate
2007-08                           1,451,348                                     949,431           65.4%
2008-09                           1,290,638                                     844,036           65.4%
2009-10                           1,347,486                                     859,813           63.8%
2010-11                           1,346,165                                     849,007           63.1%
2011-12                           1,371,494                                     833,930           60.8%
2012-13                           1,244,041                                     735,368           59.1%
2013-14                           1,541,896                                     795,245           51.6%

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#15 22-09-14 20:25:31

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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

I meant the question would maybe relevant for someone going onto to
pass the B+E test at a later date not just someone wanting to pass a
B test without wanting to tow.

Why question what the pupil has stated. Do you know the question bank
these days? As Daveyboy states, No. The answer may have been in
Metric/Imperial sizes just like stopping distances are in Metres or Feet.

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#16 23-09-14 04:58:04

pegasus
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From: north west
Registered: 25-02-05
Posts: 3,299

Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Hi

AUTAX wrote:

   The answer may have been in
Metric/Imperial sizes just like stopping distances are in Metres or Feet.

When it is the larger distances like eyesight testing and stopping distances etc  it probably makes no differrence but at smaller dimensions any slight difference is critical.
The comparison between 50mm and 2" is not a matter of rounding out to the nearest figure.
A 50mm coupling will not even go on to a 2" hitch and a 2" coupling can quite easily come uncoupled from a 50mm hitch just through pitching movements caused by uneven road surfaces.

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#17 23-09-14 08:06:18

AUTAX
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Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Look, I didn't read the question. i'm just repeating what was said. If someone wants to nit pick then go head.


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#18 23-09-14 19:06:46

MGM
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From: Surrey
Registered: 24-10-11
Posts: 861

Re: Theory test pass rate down...

pegasus wrote:

Hi

AUTAX wrote:

   The answer may have been in
Metric/Imperial sizes just like stopping distances are in Metres or Feet.

When it is the larger distances like eyesight testing and stopping distances etc  it probably makes no differrence but at smaller dimensions any slight difference is critical.
The comparison between 50mm and 2" is not a matter of rounding out to the nearest figure.
A 50mm coupling will not even go on to a 2" hitch and a 2" coupling can quite easily come uncoupled from a 50mm hitch just through pitching movements caused by uneven road surfaces.

I suspect it's a cunning trick question.

Anyone who knows the answer is a potential caravanner, and so should never be given a licence. wink

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#19 24-09-14 05:54:33

AUTAX
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Registered: 22-07-11
Posts: 1,032

Re: Theory test pass rate down...

MGM wrote:

I suspect it's a cunning trick question.

Anyone who knows the answer is a potential caravanner, and so should never be given a licence. wink

lol  lol  lol


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#20 27-02-15 21:12:21

MAZ
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From: N/Wales, Cheshire
Registered: 13-06-06
Posts: 838

Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Had a pupil pass theory test yesterday, he had practiced on theory test pro avidly, tells me that on practice he ignored the "case study storyline" and just answered the questions individualy with no problems. But in the real test he had to continually refer to the case study scenario on the last 5 questions as it was impossible to answer without.

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#21 01-03-15 08:40:12

Evan
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Posts: 2,058

Re: Theory test pass rate down...

Despite the changes to the theory test, I am still disappointed by what pupils are learning/gleaning from this test. I still feel it is being treated as just a hurdle you need to leap in order to book a driving test.

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