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#1 27-08-14 19:30:40

Gordonline
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LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Hi All

I have just attended the Airso Blue Light Users Drivers Conference in Leicester and a speaker from the DVSA announced that the speed limit for LGV's on a single carriageway road will increase from 40 to 50 Mph in early 2015

I certainly welcome this as it will help to improve traffic flow and serious collisions from frustrated drivers overtaking long vehicles, there is also a consultation on increasing the speed limit for LGV's to 60 Mph on dual carriageway's although currently they're restricted to 56 Mph (90kph)

Gordon big_smile


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#2 27-08-14 19:45:22

ratty
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

This was 'announced' some time ago.

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#3 27-08-14 21:00:29

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Hi

although currently they're restricted to 56 Mph (90kph)

Similar to the current motorway situation then. except that a lot of companies are now limiting to around 52/53.

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#4 29-08-14 20:08:32

ratty
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Gordonline wrote:

Hi All

I have just attended the Airso Blue Light Users Drivers Conference in Leicester and a speaker from the DVSA announced that the speed limit for LGV's on a single carriageway road will increase from 40 to 50 Mph in early 2015

I certainly welcome this as it will help to improve traffic flow and serious collisions from frustrated drivers overtaking long vehicles, there is also a consultation on increasing the speed limit for LGV's to 60 Mph on dual carriageway's although currently they're restricted to 56 Mph (90kph)

Gordon big_smile

If the speed limit is increased on DCs from 50 to 60mph, there would also have to be a change in laws governing vehicles being restricted to 56mph.

The current speed limit for HGVs on Motorways is 60 mph unless they are restricted to 56. If the DC speed limit was raised to 60 AND the restrictors changed to 60, this would also represent an increase in speed limits on Motorways for the vast majority of HGVs an other restricted vehicles? I just can't see that happening.

I think the 56 mph restriction came from the UK falling into line with other EU countries where large vehicles are restricted to 90kph, which is about 56mph. I don't see this country going against this and doing it's own thing.

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#5 29-08-14 23:55:16

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Hi Gordon.
As Ratty says, this came out about 6 months ago.
Firstly, the speed limit for LGV's on dual carriageways is currently 50mph. Increasing the limit to 60 will not be a problem because under EU legislation they can only legally travel at 56mph (90kmh), exactly the same as a motorway. I can't see that (EU regulations) changing.

Therefore, and I'll stand corrected, the only legislation that needs amending is the Road Traffic Regulation Act.

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#6 30-08-14 13:42:57

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Do you think it is worth doing just to increase their limit on DC from 50 to effectively 56mph?

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#7 30-08-14 14:39:41

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

ratty wrote:

Do you think it is worth doing just to increase their limit on DC from 50 to effectively 56mph?

Yes, these limits have been in since the 60's. Modern HGV's are easily capable of maintaining 56mph. Yesterday I was driving an 18T curtainsider on the A19 dual carriageway. I set the cruise at 50 and during the 50 odd miles I was on there I was overtaken by at least 30 other HGV's.
They're already doing the speed without being prosecuted.

The Minister for Transport in looking to 'up' the limit said that he wanted to take HGV drivers out of criminality. Strange phrase but it 's reckoned that the benefit in the economy will be billions. Not perhaps so eco-friendly though.

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#8 30-08-14 15:50:08

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

As you say, the only real difference will be that the drivers are not speeding. I don't think there will be much difference in the actual speeds the vehicles are doing.

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#9 30-08-14 21:57:10

Gordonline
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

ratty wrote:

This was 'announced' some time ago.

Hi Ratty

Yes I was aware that it was mentioned some time ago but I wasn't aware that it was actually coming into force !!!!!

I have definitely noticed that a lot of LGV drivers are sticking to the 40 limit on single carriageways (Lincolnshire is full of them lol) due mainly to trackers in their cabs and their employers penalizing them for breaking speed limits

Regarding the DC limit, if they do raise it to 60 it won't have any affect on the 56 speed limiters on trucks

Gordon smile


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#10 31-08-14 07:23:30

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/11-m … mit-raised

I have never taken a great deal of interest in goods vehicles so excuse me if I'm wrong, but the announcement of change of speed limit to 50mph on single carriageway roads relates to HGV's (goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5tonnes) Other goods vehicle ( maximum laden weight NOT exceeding 7.5 tonnes) already have a maximum speed limit of 50mph on sc roads.

Isn't LGV (Large Goods Vehicle) a more generic European Union term for a variety of class of goods vehicles. In UK didn't LGV used to be the  abbreviation for Light Goods Vehicle? Confusing!

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#11 31-08-14 11:50:04

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

I always refer to them as HGV's, then there is no mistaking what I'm referring to.
LGV was introduced in 1997 as Large Goods Vehicle and refers to vehicles over 7500kgs
MGV was introduced at the same time as Medium Goods Vehicle and refers to vehicles over 3500kgs up to 7500kgs

If you look at the gov.uk site for booking a driving test it uses both of these.

LGV as an abbreviation for Light Goods Vehicle used to be used for Excise Licences.

There are 2 important points (if you have an interest!) in this proposal.

Raising the limit on a single carriageway should remove the driver from prosecution as the limiter is set at 56 and the speed limit prosecution point kicks in at 57.  The new proposal should get rid of that offence. Realistically an HGV will only commit speeding offences in an area of 40mph or less.

At present if an HGV driver is reported for speeding when the licence is endorsed and uploaded to the DVLA, it triggers a report to the Traffic Commissioner who may want to interview the driver. The TC has draconian powers and can suspend a licence. Double jeopardy for a lorry driver.

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#12 31-08-14 13:00:27

ratty
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

trunkmonkey wrote:

...

Raising the limit on a single carriageway should remove the driver from prosecution as the limiter is set at 56 and the speed limit prosecution point kicks in at 57.  The new proposal should get rid of that offence. Realistically an HGV will only commit speeding offences in an area of 40mph or less.

...


But I have a friend who's dog heard someone say in the pub that they were done for 51!!!!!   wink

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#13 31-08-14 13:12:26

ratty
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

trunkmonkey wrote:

I always refer to them as HGV's, then there is no mistaking what I'm referring to.
LGV was introduced in 1997 as Large Goods Vehicle and refers to vehicles over 7500kgs
MGV was introduced at the same time as Medium Goods Vehicle and refers to vehicles over 3500kgs up to 7500kgs

If you look at the gov.uk site for booking a driving test it uses both of these.

LGV as an abbreviation for Light Goods Vehicle used to be used for Excise Licences.

There are 2 important points (if you have an interest!) in this proposal.

Raising the limit on a single carriageway should remove the driver from prosecution as the limiter is set at 56 and the speed limit prosecution point kicks in at 57.  The new proposal should get rid of that offence. Realistically an HGV will only commit speeding offences in an area of 40mph or less.

At present if an HGV driver is reported for speeding when the licence is endorsed and uploaded to the DVLA, it triggers a report to the Traffic Commissioner who may want to interview the driver. The TC has draconian powers and can suspend a licence. Double jeopardy for a lorry driver.


Joking aside, I'm not sure that I think this is a good thing. I understand your figures, but I don't see why HGV drivers should be, to all intents and purposes, exempt from prosecution by speed, sorry safety, cameras in NSL areas. I think that knowing this would encourage some to just sit with their foot on the floor and switch off. I know that this next comment may be seen by some as silly, but if the limit is raised to 50 then I think there should be a threat of prosecution if they then choose to drive at 56. I do not see it as being unfair that a driver might be reported to a TC for speeding, it might encourage some to think about their standard of driving more.

I have recently been asked to run some driver assessor courses for a VERY large distribution company and I was amazed at the poor standard of some of the drivers putting themselves forward to assess others! The same happened at some of the CPD days I attended.

I do not see raising the limit to 50 and then 'allowing' 56 to be a positive thing.

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#14 31-08-14 16:44:45

pegasus
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Hi
Just out of interest, how does a safety camera know that the vehicle that has just gone past within the limiit for the road, but not for the class of vehicle, requires a photo to be taken?

ie HGV on national single carriageway doing 50.

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#15 31-08-14 17:12:00

trunkmonkey
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

ratty wrote:
trunkmonkey wrote:

I always refer to them as HGV's, then there is no mistaking what I'm referring to.
LGV was introduced in 1997 as Large Goods Vehicle and refers to vehicles over 7500kgs
MGV was introduced at the same time as Medium Goods Vehicle and refers to vehicles over 3500kgs up to 7500kgs

If you look at the gov.uk site for booking a driving test it uses both of these.

LGV as an abbreviation for Light Goods Vehicle used to be used for Excise Licences.

There are 2 important points (if you have an interest!) in this proposal.

Raising the limit on a single carriageway should remove the driver from prosecution as the limiter is set at 56 and the speed limit prosecution point kicks in at 57.  The new proposal should get rid of that offence. Realistically an HGV will only commit speeding offences in an area of 40mph or less.

At present if an HGV driver is reported for speeding when the licence is endorsed and uploaded to the DVLA, it triggers a report to the Traffic Commissioner who may want to interview the driver. The TC has draconian powers and can suspend a licence. Double jeopardy for a lorry driver.


Joking aside, I'm not sure that I think this is a good thing. I understand your figures, but I don't see why HGV drivers should be, to all intents and purposes, exempt from prosecution by speed, sorry safety, cameras in NSL areas. I think that knowing this would encourage some to just sit with their foot on the floor and switch off. I know that this next comment may be seen by some as silly, but if the limit is raised to 50 then I think there should be a threat of prosecution if they then choose to drive at 56. I do not see it as being unfair that a driver might be reported to a TC for speeding, it might encourage some to think about their standard of driving more.

I have recently been asked to run some driver assessor courses for a VERY large distribution company and I was amazed at the poor standard of some of the drivers putting themselves forward to assess others! The same happened at some of the CPD days I attended.

I do not see raising the limit to 50 and then 'allowing' 56 to be a positive thing.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's going to happen.
It's difficult to see how you could prosecute an HGV driver for 56mph and yet other drivers would not be prosecuted until they hit the threshold of 57.
I wasn't meaning it was unfair to be prosecuted twice for the same offence. It was to show that they are under more scrutiny than the rest of us.

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#16 31-08-14 17:34:24

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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

pegasus wrote:

Hi
Just out of interest, how does a safety camera know that the vehicle that has just gone past within the limiit for the road, but not for the class of vehicle, requires a photo to be taken?

ie HGV on national single carriageway doing 50.

ANPR or possibly under road weight loops


IAM Observer
Leicester group of advanced motorists
LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008

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#17 31-08-14 17:47:47

trunkmonkey
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

pegasus wrote:

Hi
Just out of interest, how does a safety camera know that the vehicle that has just gone past within the limiit for the road, but not for the class of vehicle, requires a photo to be taken?

ie HGV on national single carriageway doing 50.

Good question.

If it is a camera van then the operator should be aware of the limit for every vehicle. A motor patrol officer can still report a driver (and doesn't need to use the 10% + 2 margin).

Fixed cameras I agree are different. It depends on the type of camera. Old fashioned GATSO's aren't capable of detecting vehicle class.

But technology advances quickly.
For some reason, one of these drops on my desk every month  http://www.traffictechnologytoday.com/magazine.php
If you're a bit of an anorak (I must be) it's an interesting read.

Technology has advanced to the stage where the camera is linked to a weight sensor. On a S/C road anything over 3500kgs is limited to a lower speed limit. A car goes over the sensor at 59mph, no problem. A goods vehicle goes over at 59 and triggers the camera.

I don't know whether its in use anywhere, but the technology is definitely there.

PS Caravans would be exempt - because I tow one  smile

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#18 31-08-14 20:18:46

ratty
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Never took you for a shed dragger!  wink

I bet you drive a diesel as well.

Last edited by ratty (31-08-14 20:20:10)

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#19 31-08-14 20:32:37

trunkmonkey
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

ratty wrote:

Never took you for a shed dragger!  wink

I bet you drive a diesel as well.

Correct in one! big_smile

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#20 31-08-14 22:13:30

pegasus
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Re: LGV Speed Limit Increase 2015

Hi TM
Thanks for that, I had wondered about the possibility of a height sensor aimed across the road just below 7.5 tonne cab height and if it turned out to be a lighter high vehicle Luton, camper etc it would be ignored on review.

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