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#1 16-08-13 17:44:46

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Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

In my home town there are two crossroads controlled by traffic lights with no secondary or duplicate lights on the far side of the junction. In both cases when you have the green light so does the oncoming traffic. When waiting in the center of the junction to turn right there are no secondary or duplicate lights to look at so I assume the rule is you wait in the center for a safe gap or until the oncoming traffic stops just like normal or is that incorrect? Is there a reason for just having one set of light at the stop line and no secondary lights on the far side of the junction.

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#2 16-08-13 17:50:23

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Your assumption is correct.

Unsure as to,why there is no secondary light , do,you have a google image?

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#3 16-08-13 17:58:03

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

We have similar    http://goo.gl/maps/eBvNF
Having no lights to watch makes it very awkward for learners who often get caught when traffic from the right and left starts to move

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#4 16-08-13 18:52:56

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Is there a reason for just having one set of light at the stop line and no secondary lights on the far side of the junction.

Cost probably!  cool


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#5 16-08-13 18:58:15

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Agree with RM.
Some time ago at an association meeting a road traffic manager was invited to attend and give us a talk.
The same question as the OP was asked relating to a similer set of lights. He explained this type of light controlled junction will normaly have a longer delay giving those turning right more time. Unfortunately he could not explain why an extra set of lights could not be installed. Another one who found it difficult to answer my question lol

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#6 16-08-13 19:13:10

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Hi
There is a set in Newcastle next to the 'centre for life' where you need to cross 2 lanes of traffic approaching a box junction with a major junction behind us!!
Often one lane stops and gives the impression that they have been stopped at the lights but the other lane may have traffic hidden from view !
Its a b%gger to teach.
Peter

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#7 16-08-13 20:46:18

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Hi
Secondary lights can present their own problems.
You might move forward to the middle of the junction, when the secondary light goes amber then red that is no guarantee that the oncoming traffic has a red.

Also when turning right into a road with asecondary light, particularly one on a central island, I have noticed a number of vehicles STOP for the red light they have  seen.

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#8 09-03-14 16:57:17

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

I find that people from overseas who are learning to drive in the UK stop for the secondary red light thinking it's for them. I explain that red means stop and wait at the stop line. If there is no stop line then the light is not for you.


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#9 04-04-14 15:23:02

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Here's one which I see people getting confused about every day.

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The green light you can see is a secondary to the lights for the crossing at the bottom of the image. The red/amber/green on this set act ONLY as a secondary for the pedestrian crossing and they all have directional shutters on them so you cannot see them from the filter lane. Traffic turning right from the filter lane can do so regardless of the colour of the lights, although there is a priority arrow too which illuminates when the lights on the other side turn red.

The problem comes when traffic is coming out of the side road to the left. When the light goes green for the traffic coming out of the side road, the lights for traffic on both sides of the main road go red. Unfortunately the priority arrow for the filter lane doesn't illuminate whilst the lights are red, despite the traffic on the other side being stopped. You can come out of the side road on the left and go straight to the filter lane to turn into the side road on the right, but a lot of people stop at the line because they don't see the right priority arrow and therefore assume that they can't go, despite the fact that the traffic is stopped on the other side.

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#10 05-04-14 21:35:03

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Is it not because there's a filter light at the end of the cycle for traffic in the opposite direction? That's normally why they don't install a duplicate light.


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#11 09-04-14 07:58:53

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Once over the stop line give way rules apply so does that info make it easier for learners to comprehend?


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#12 08-07-14 08:49:12

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

I got a similar question here: I approach a traffic light to turn right, the light is green and so I move past the line into the waiting area to be ready to turn right. At this time, I know I should wait for a safe gap or the oncoming traffic to stop (red light) to complete my turn. For some reasons (as the road I am turning to is busy because of road works), when I can turn right the pedestrians light on the road I am turning into turns green and the pedestrians start crossing. So I wait again. My question is: do I have to wait until the pedestrians light turns red or I can move as long as the road is clear regardless of the pedestrians light?

My understanding is: once I have passed the line at traffic light to be in the middle of the road to be ready to turn right, I am already committed to moving when it is safe to do so regardless of the traffic lights at the road I am turning into (except that I have to give way to pedestrians who are already crossing)?

So, advice please.
Thanks.

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#13 08-07-14 10:17:08

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

quachhao wrote:

I got a similar question here: I approach a traffic light to turn right, the light is green and so I move past the line into the waiting area to be ready to turn right. At this time, I know I should wait for a safe gap or the oncoming traffic to stop (red light) to complete my turn. For some reasons (as the road I am turning to is busy because of road works), when I can turn right the pedestrians light on the road I am turning into turns green and the pedestrians start crossing. So I wait again. My question is: do I have to wait until the pedestrians light turns red or I can move as long as the road is clear regardless of the pedestrians light?

My understanding is: once I have passed the line at traffic light to be in the middle of the road to be ready to turn right, I am already committed to moving when it is safe to do so regardless of the traffic lights at the road I am turning into (except that I have to give way to pedestrians who are already crossing)?

So, advice please.
Thanks.

Your understanding is right, the only lights which apply to you are those at the first stop line. However, I'd suggest you should also give way to pedestrians waiting to cross if the green man is lit (and not flashing).

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#14 08-07-14 10:59:06

quachhao
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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Thanks MGM - it helps me a lot. Just another scenario which might happen as well: the same as above, when I turn right, the traffic ahead of me (the road I am turning into) is slow or even static at the time because of road works. Should I keep the distance from the traffic ahead for pedestrians or I can stop on the pedestrians crossing area? It could be that if I stop to keep the distance then the tail of my car could still be in the main road.

I ask this because in a normal straight traffic light, I always wait and keep the pedestrians cross area clear if there is no enough space ahead.
Thanks.

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#15 08-07-14 13:43:53

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

You must keep,the area reserved for pedestrian to cross, clear.

There should be sufficient room for the rear of your car to be clear of traffic.

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#16 09-07-14 05:55:26

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

If the pedestrian lights have turned green (man) for the pedestrians then all traffic lights at that junction will be on red for vehicles so waiting for pedestrians to cross will not impede traffic because it will be stopped.


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#17 09-07-14 08:37:58

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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Autax - it could be a hazard as the oncoming traffic (main road) then can go.

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#18 09-07-14 10:27:29

martin Williams
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Registered: 26-06-09
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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

quachhao wrote:

Autax - it could be a hazard as the oncoming traffic (main road) then can go.

No they can't go as traffic lights are on red both ways when a Pedestrian crossing is on green man for pedestrians at a crossroads.

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#19 09-07-14 10:36:34

quachhao
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Registered: 08-07-14
Posts: 12

Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Thanks Martin. I used to think that if the green man is on at the side road, the oncoming traffic (main road) is till able to go ahead or turn right.

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#20 09-07-14 16:10:16

AUTAX
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Registered: 22-07-11
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Re: Turning right at traffic light controlled crossroads

Thanks for that Martin, I was wondering if I'd made that bit clear.

Autax wrote:

then all traffic lights at that junction will be on red.


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