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#26 04-11-13 12:24:28

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Re: bags of sand

Does anyone use a B licence towing set up for the B+E test?

Example could be ..
Vehicle
GVW 2100
Towing capacity 1200

Trailer
MAM 1400
Unladen 550
Load 600


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#27 04-11-13 19:27:06

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Re: bags of sand

Yes I used a skoda fabia 800kg towing capacity with a trailer MAM 1000KG 320KG empty.

Then I used a fabia 1200kg towing capacity with same trailer.

Now using a yeti 1600kg towing capacity with same trailer.

My objective is to make a profit from my business so use the lightest and most economical combination I can within the rules.

If I wanted to burn all of my profit I would be using a defender with a 3500KG trailer!

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#28 04-11-13 19:55:57

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Re: bags of sand

reddragonbus wrote:

... trailer MAM 1000KG 320KG empty.

Now using a yeti 1600kg towing capacity

I know the yeti has a gvw well under 2500 so do you train with or without L plates ?
Are L plates are needed for the test with a B set up? - I think they are as its being used for a BE test but I could be wrong


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#29 04-11-13 19:58:22

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Re: bags of sand

I use L plates for all training as my cars are sign written with L plates regardless of type of training.


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#30 04-11-13 20:09:33

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Re: bags of sand

Are L plates required for a BE test if a B set up is used?

Does anyone know why the DSA allow a B set up for the BE test?


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#31 04-11-13 20:19:43

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Re: bags of sand

Who knows why the DSA do half the things they do?


Why is it legal to tow a caravan on a B licence when the test for the B licence does not covers use of a trailer?

Why do the rules apply to the weight of the trailer rather than the size of the trailer?

My little box trailer could easily be up rated to carry 3500kg!


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#32 05-11-13 22:09:15

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Re: bags of sand

DSA  wrote:

You are correct that aggregate/sand must be in sealed bags with the weight stamped on them.  You must seal the bags to avoid the aggregate/sand becoming loose and moving about in the trailer.  The onus on sealing and stamping these bags is on the instructor as such, you as the instructor can fill the bags with equal amount of ballast and clearly mark them yourself.

Whilst we do not expect our examiners to check the load before every test we will ask DSA managers to make spot checks before a test commences to ensure trailers are laden as the regulations require.


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#33 06-11-13 02:50:36

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Re: bags of sand

reddragonbus wrote:

Who knows why the DSA do half the things they do?


Why is it legal to tow a caravan on a B licence when the test for the B licence does not covers use of a trailer?

Why are pre-97 licence holders allowed to drive a 7.5 tonne lorry or an 18 seat minibus towing a 3.5 tonne trailer when the B licence does not cover the use of a lorry, minibus or trailer

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#34 06-11-13 08:41:36

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Re: bags of sand

dog wrote:
reddragonbus wrote:

Who knows why the DSA do half the things they do?


Why is it legal to tow a caravan on a B licence when the test for the B licence does not covers use of a trailer?

Why are pre-97 licence holders allowed to drive a 7.5 tonne lorry or an 18 seat minibus towing a 3.5 tonne trailer when the B licence does not cover the use of a lorry, minibus or trailer

18 seat minibus?

Anyhow, 1997 changes came about as a result of EU Directive 91/439/EEC

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#35 06-11-13 17:44:23

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Re: bags of sand

Hi
Post Jan '97 drivers can drive some 16+driver minibuses under certain circumstances even without D1 on their licence.

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#36 06-11-13 18:02:29

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Re: bags of sand

pegasus wrote:

Hi
Post Jan '97 drivers can drive some 16+driver minibuses under certain circumstances even without D1 on their licence.

And they can even drive them without 600KG of sand in them!


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#37 07-11-13 11:35:09

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Re: bags of sand

Hi

reddragonbus wrote:

The bags must have the weight stamped on them as a civil servant has stated that this as a specific requirement.

Can you gives us details as to who said this? The DT1chapter 3 does not state that weight markings are required, merely


" Load Requirement: 600kgs of aggregates such as sand, stone chippings, gravel or
any other recycled material packaged in sealed transparent bags. All bags must weigh
the same and be at least 10kgs.
Or alternatively: One intermediate bulk container constructed of moulded plastic or steel
of 1,000kg or 600kg capacity when filled with water."

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#38 07-11-13 11:42:08

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Re: bags of sand


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#39 07-11-13 11:55:09

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Re: bags of sand

Hi
Thanks for that.

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#40 11-11-13 09:47:18

dog
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Registered: 29-10-06
Posts: 813

Re: bags of sand

trunkmonkey wrote:

18 seat minibus?

Anyhow, 1997 changes came about as a result of EU Directive 91/439/EEC

Sorry I meant 17 (as in 16+1)

pegasus wrote:

Hi
Post Jan '97 drivers can drive some 16+driver minibuses under certain circumstances even without D1 on their licence.

Ha yes thanks, I know  smile

Find me a minibus with more than 13 passenger seats which has a gross weight of 3500kg or less though. Some of the new Transit based 13+1 minibuses are over 3500kg. And NO trailer can be towed. wink

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#41 11-11-13 18:28:07

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Re: bags of sand

Ford do a 17 seat transit on the 3500kg chassis, granted if you fill it with adults you will overload it.


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