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#1 14-05-12 16:54:37

robcooling
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IAM Report on cyclists.

IAM Report on cyclists : http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/b … iam-survey

Personally I've found a lot of cyclists are quite professional, wear the correct gear, have the helmet, adhere to the rules... but then the significant minority of nutty cyclists give the rest a bad name.

I have had very few negative experiences with cyclists, in fact my only memorable one was a PCSO on a bike trying to pass us on the left as we were turning left into a side road (that was a dual control jobby!)

How do others feel about cyclists supposedly (57%?!?) running red lights?


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#2 14-05-12 17:05:05

robcooling
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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Elaborating on my post, here's my own thoughts and mini-research :

Fifty-seven per cent of cyclists say they have jumped a red light at least once, with 14 per cent saying they do so regularly or sometimes, according to the IAM's latest online poll of 1600 people.

It also adds other details, for example the 32% of drivers who say they jump lights.

Unacceptable, cyclist or car driver. Ignoring of such a safety rule, regardless of method of transport, not good.

Learning to drive :

Positive : Sensible cyclists, reflective clothing, lights, helmet etc... (stereotyping : more experienced cyclist, way beyond the teenage phase)
Negative : Daft cyclists, no lights, no helmet, disregard for traffic rules (stereotyping : young lad wearing all black clothing often with a few mates)

Late night driving, rural driving (expect the error! don’t assume they’ll do it right, accommodate for their mistakes). Doesn’t mean it’s OK to make those mistakes but we have to co-exist and learn to deal with each others failings while they are present.

As a pedestrian crossing the road I would be more concerned being a cyclist dealing with a car running a red light, than a cyclist running a red light. 2009 stats : 0 pedestrians killed by cyclists, 426 pedestrians killed by cars.

Painting an image of marauding, aggressive cyclists rampaging our roads is unrealistic and unhelpful for constructing a co-existing environment. As with all road education there will always be room for improvement, for cyclists, motorbikes, cars etc...

Being on the roads 8 hours a day, 6 days a week you can constructively build up a realistic picture. It’s easy to remember the crazy cyclist that did something nutty, but to then not notice the next 20 cyclists you pass who are doing it right. You have to learn to predict and expect the actions of the odd fruitcake on a bicycle, but not to tar them all with the same brush.

A significant minority are the problem. Rather than having a tribal mentality of ‘car versus cyclists’ it requires constant improvement of the road user education system to firmly establish rules that ALL road users follow.

When a car runs a red light its normally due to arrogance or incompetence. When a cyclist runs a red light its sometimes because of fear, they want to get a head start on the whopping great big lorry that’s just appeared next to them which they are terrified will crush them as it turns left. But in no way does that make it OK to run a red light!


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#3 14-05-12 17:46:42

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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Good luck with tomorrow been their done it. I don't like it it goes to quick if live so many I wish I had said that. I edited be careful the editing can cause problems  sad

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#4 14-05-12 19:00:44

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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Thanks Tony! Is is irony that your post is in need of editing or was that deliberate? smile


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#5 14-05-12 19:04:57

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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

robcooling wrote:

......

When a car runs a red light its normally due to arrogance or incompetence...........

Not sure I agree with you on this - I would say it is rarely incompetence (a lapse or error) and more a violation - why do they jump a red light?  What are the circumstances?  What is the purpose of the driver's journey or their goals if you prefer?  Then you may get some insight into why they do it.

As for cyclists - some ride well some do not - we share the roads and we should follow the rules.  Some cyclists do violate red traffic lights and mount pavements to shortcut and ride 2 abreast making it difficult to pass - I teach a keen cyclist and she is quick to highlight those not cycling correctly or considerately.

I was nearly hit by a cyclist at a pedestian crossing when all the traffic had stopped and I started to cross the cyclist came straight through the red light - I could have easily allowed the collision to make a point but I am not like that.

Should cyclists be identifiable and should they carry insurance?  It is worth noting that some of these cycles are very expensive too.

There is an argument that lots is spent on the roads for cycle lanes, routes and advance stop lines (some are rarely used by cycles) and yet where does this money come from? 

I see many examples of drivers giving cyclists no room at all and I would not be a cyclist!!

I am not anti-cyclist but I see both sides of the coin.

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#6 14-05-12 19:22:04

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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Sorry Rob I wrote in a hurry my LexDysia came in.


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#7 08-07-12 18:04:49

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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

I encounter frequent violations of the rules by cyclists on a daily basis and last week I witnessed a cyclist being knocked off when jumping a red light - fortunatly not injured but very shaken. On another occasion I was faced by an oncoming cyclist as I was turning into a one way street with parked cars tight up to the corner and on both sides of the road. I was driving at the time and managed to stop only to be taught some new road signs! Motor vehicles and drivers are registered, insured, and licensed and their behaviour on the roads can be monitored which acts as a deterrent to bad driving practices and risk taking. Would the road be a safer place for cyclists if they could be identified and perhaps tested, licenced, registered or insured?

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#8 08-07-12 18:10:40

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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

kinghamssom wrote:

I encounter frequent violations of the rules by cyclists on a daily basis and last week I witnessed a cyclist being knocked off when jumping a red light - fortunatly not injured but very shaken. On another occasion I was faced by an oncoming cyclist as I was turning into a one way street with parked cars tight up to the corner and on both sides of the road. I was driving at the time and managed to stop only to be taught some new road signs! Motor vehicles and drivers are registered, insured, and licensed and their behaviour on the roads can be monitored which acts as a deterrent to bad driving practices and risk taking. Would the road be a safer place for cyclists if they could be identified and perhaps tested, licenced, registered or insured?


Yes and chipped like a dog


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#9 08-07-12 18:43:58

Driver99
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Registered: 21-01-11
Posts: 264

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Wessex wrote:

Lets hope they don't introduce cyclists being allowed to ride against the flow of traffic in a one way street like they do in some Cities in Belgium.

Too late.......................

Chester....

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#10 03-02-13 18:27:49

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
Posts: 4,739

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Wessex wrote:

Well at least they have their own lane.  Do they keep to it though and what penalties are they if they collide with a vehicle whilst not in their lane?

Death perhaps?  wink


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#11 03-02-13 18:47:09

Triplea35
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Posts: 500

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

IAM seem to have shot themselves in the foot with that one!  smile

Think i will stick to being an 'advanced' cyclist!!

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#12 03-02-13 19:56:17

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
Posts: 4,739

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

kinghamssom wrote:

...perhaps tested, licenced, registered or insured?

How do you know they haven't been tested and aren't registered and insured?


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#13 21-09-13 11:38:51

Itaintmeyouknow
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Posts: 6

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

I cycle as well as drive - and I can recognise poor technique and awareness in both.  I find that being a cyclist has increased my observation.  I have comprehensive Bicycle insurance through ETA.  Whether right or wrong, it is up to the stronger medium to take the weaker medium into consideration.  If a bike crashes into a car, who is going to come off worse?

Mistakes get made by all road users, and no driver is perfect.  You have to drive to take into considerations the other idiots on the road, be they with four or two wheels. 

Sometimes they are the idiots, sometimes it's you.

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#14 21-09-13 19:34:31

kaf
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From: Wiltshire
Registered: 05-08-07
Posts: 3,324
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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Itaintmeyouknow wrote:

I cycle as well as drive - and I can recognise poor technique and awareness in both.  I find that being a cyclist has increased my observation.  I have comprehensive Bicycle insurance through ETA.  Whether right or wrong, it is up to the stronger medium to take the weaker medium into consideration.  If a bike crashes into a car, who is going to come off worse?

Mistakes get made by all road users, and no driver is perfect.  You have to drive to take into considerations the other idiots on the road, be they with four or two wheels. 

Sometimes they are the idiots, sometimes it's you.


Well said young road user!

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#15 22-09-13 18:35:23

graham121150
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From: Long Eaton
Registered: 29-08-11
Posts: 648
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Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Got hit by a cyclist once, he was riding a post office bike, and waving at a post office van, made sure I got his details. The post office self insure.

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#16 27-09-13 17:26:27

dog
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Registered: 29-10-06
Posts: 813

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

Stupid question but are cyclists allowed to go through red lights? Speed limits don't apply to them as pedal cycles are not mechanically propelled.

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#17 27-09-13 20:37:59

trunkmonkey
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Registered: 05-03-09
Posts: 747

Re: IAM Report on cyclists.

No they can't go through red lights.
They commit the same offence as a driver although the penalty is different.
Strangely the cyclist must receive a Notice of Intended Prosecution as would a driver.

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