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#51 27-07-13 16:13:05

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

Exactly, it matters not what an emerging driver HAS to do, only what they MIGHT do.

An real advanced driver anticipates, what to others might be an unexpected occurrence, and plans for it.

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#52 27-07-13 16:20:22

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

Thanks for the all replies (and offer of a second opinion from brod). Everyone has been really helpful and no one has fallen out and the comments echo my thoughts exactly.


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#53 27-07-13 18:09:53

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

RobC wrote:

.... I did pass ......

Congratulations !

Just being nosey, but why did you want to do IAM and did you consider RoADAR (Merseyside Group is near you)?

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#54 27-07-13 19:59:52

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

kaf wrote:

Any marked car at my station that was parked facing in , had clearly been borrowed by the CID!  smile

If I drove into the yard and saw a marked car driven into a bay I'd find the driver and arrange a visit to Driving School for a re-test.
Seemed to do the trick.

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#55 27-07-13 20:00:10

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

Driver99 wrote:
RobC wrote:

.... I did pass ......

Congratulations !

Just being nosey, but why did you want to do IAM and did you consider RoADAR (Merseyside Group is near you)?

Most of my work is fleet so I did IAM to gain further knowledge. A friend has already asked me to join the local RoSPA group so I probably will.
What do you see as the differences between RoSPA and IAM, and do you think RoSPA is more relevant to ADI's?


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#56 27-07-13 20:37:09

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

RobC wrote:
Driver99 wrote:
RobC wrote:

.... I did pass ......

Congratulations !

Just being nosey, but why did you want to do IAM and did you consider RoADAR (Merseyside Group is near you)?

Most of my work is fleet so I did IAM to gain further knowledge. A friend has already asked me to join the local RoSPA group so I probably will.
What do you see as the differences between RoSPA and IAM, and do you think RoSPA is more relevant to ADI's?

Ah ha, a well-worn path that this question takes us down.
I have found that the large national fleet training companies tend to ask for RoSPA Gold as a generic and minimum qualification but there are exceptions.  So an IAM pass is generally met in this context with the question, "when are you planning to get your RoSPA Gold?" for the very reason that your next fleet delegate could be a Gold driver or better (e.g. a just-retired traffic cop - I've sat with four of these  in the past year.)
An IAM pass coud be a Gold but is more likely to be a Silver - hence the question, perhaps, "why IAM?"

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#57 27-07-13 20:54:32

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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

RobC wrote:
Driver99 wrote:
RobC wrote:

.... I did pass ......

Congratulations !

Just being nosey, but why did you want to do IAM and did you consider RoADAR (Merseyside Group is near you)?

Most of my work is fleet so I did IAM to gain further knowledge. A friend has already asked me to join the local RoSPA group so I probably will.
What do you see as the differences between RoSPA and IAM, and do you think RoSPA is more relevant to ADI's?

Technically they use the same system based on Roadcraft (although IAM has its own watered down version of the book), so there shouldn't be any differences, but it really comes down to the Observer/Tutor as they are very variable in skill/coaching methods, although IAM has launched a revised Observer qualification to try and improve quality.
RoADAR has a re-test every three years (included in the annual membership fee), which in theory means people keep their skills up and the Test is graded, which some people like, and it gives you something to aim for/maintain.  IAM has introduced 'F1rst', which is a level you can get if you pass the Skill for Life test with a high score.

I think RoSPA (RoADAR) is better known in the Fleet world - they also do this (not cheap!) training diploma:
http://www.rospa.com/drivertraining/tra … ction.aspx

I know the Chairman of RoADAR Merseyside (Ray; chairman-car@roadarmerseyside.org.uk) and he's also an ADI and in IAM, so he'll be able to give you a good idea of what's what.

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#58 27-07-13 21:17:33

RobC
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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

Driver99 wrote:

Technically they use the same system based on Roadcraft (although IAM has its own watered down version of the book), so there shouldn't be any differences, but it really comes down to the Observer/Tutor as they are very variable in skill/coaching methods, although IAM has launched a revised Observer qualification to try and improve quality.
RoADAR has a re-test every three years (included in the annual membership fee), which in theory means people keep their skills up and the Test is graded, which some people like, and it gives you something to aim for/maintain.  IAM has introduced 'F1rst', which is a level you can get if you pass the Skill for Life test with a high score.

I think RoSPA (RoADAR) is better known in the Fleet world - they also do this (not cheap!) training diploma:
http://www.rospa.com/drivertraining/tra … ction.aspx

I know the Chairman of RoADAR Merseyside (Ray; chairman-car@roadarmerseyside.org.uk) and he's also an ADI and in IAM, so he'll be able to give you a good idea of what's what.

Thanks for the info, the only reason I did IAM before RoSPA was that I know the Chairman of the local IAM and there was a 40 pounds off offer to join! I don't intend to work for the large national fleet companies as I have enough fleet work of my own so that wasn't a consideration to me.

A friend of mine is in RoADAR Merseyside and has told me that their observers are all ADI's, and I agree that the retesting is a reason why RoADAR is seen by some as the more desirable qualification. No doubt I will be in touch with Ray soon!


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#59 27-07-13 21:27:19

RobC
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Re: IAM Offsiding the centre line

ralge wrote:

So an IAM pass is generally met in this context with the question, "when are you planning to get your RoSPA Gold?" for the very reason that your next fleet delegate could be a Gold driver or better (e.g. a just-retired traffic cop - I've sat with four of these  in the past year.)

Ive also had ex police traffic cop delegates, however some are better than others. One ex police motorcyclists knowledge of road signs definitely wasn't all it should be!


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