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#1 11-07-13 16:50:01

VandADI
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To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

I do think that newly qualified drivers having the "black box" fitted to cars is the way forward as it does make them more aware of instilling the good driving habits as opposed to the bad.
Unfortunately, the ones that are fitted with a "curfew" can have disastrous consequences, when one young driver tried to rush home before 11pm.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … urfew.html

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#2 11-07-13 18:43:34

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

I agree with Triker.

He was three minutes from home and had 18 minutes to get back when the accident happened.

So how can 'The Sun' blame the black box?

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#3 11-07-13 19:03:43

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

The black box was not to blame for this tragedy even the poor lads mother said so.
This could have happened at any time of day with or without a box. Sadly the truth is this type of accident happens frequently with inexpearienced drivers sad
The insurance company need to rethink their terms and responsility when it comes to setting tge 50% with the speed mad

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#4 11-07-13 20:02:29

MGM
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

I also agree with Triker.

It's sadly typical of a "new driver" death - country road, late night, friends in car, inappropriate speed, tree ...

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#5 12-07-13 07:23:37

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

Is there any evidence that having a box fitted makes the driver think about their driving more than one who does not ?

If it does then lets make it law for a certain period after passing


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#6 12-07-13 07:50:44

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

Hi
My next door neighbour's son investigated black box insurance and found it to be far more expensive than insuring without one through his father's  broker on a personal recommendation.

Whether there 

(ROG) wrote:

Is there any evidence that having a box fitted makes the driver think about their driving more than one who does not ?

I suspect that those who may be influenced by them are those who would be the better drivers anyway, just as the vast majority of those who are keen to do pass plus are the ones most committed to the idea of good, safe driving.

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#7 12-07-13 08:14:26

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

Triker - with some of these "black box" policies, the insurance premium may be slightly higher, I believe the discounts kick in once safe driving has been proven, I think they review it every 3 months.  smile

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#8 12-07-13 08:56:33

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

It's a sad story but blaming the black box is like blaming the sat nav when someone drives into a river.

Only one person is in charge of what happens to the car...

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#9 13-07-13 05:28:52

robcooling
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

I've had erratic quotes on 'black box insurance' for pupils. Sometimes it is cheaper as you would expect, other times significantly more expensive (which seems to defeat the point).


Rob

http://www.appledriving.co.uk - Driving Lessons in Nottingham

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#10 13-07-13 07:36:41

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

"I suspect that those who may be influenced by them are those who would be the better drivers anyway, just as the vast majority of those who are keen to do pass plus are the ones most committed to the idea of good, safe driving."

Spot on Pegasus, to be honest I think the majority of new young drivers do drive sensibly, they may make mistakes with errors of judgement due to lack of experience, but most seem to be sensible and hold on to what they are taught. Like everything else in life the publicity is easier to attract if its bad. Ask yourselves as instructors how many of your pupils have been involved in accidents over the years I think you will find most are sensible.

My friends daughter passed with me Christmas 2011 she had a black box fitted into her car, over the last 18 months her insurance has come down significantly. Her dad checks the reports on her driving when they are sent to him. Do I think the black box has improved her driving and attitude on the road? Not at all she is a very sensible young lady and she has been brought up with consequence of action being taught to her from a very young age.

As Pegasus so rightly says the ones with the correct attitude go on to be the better driver, same as everything in society.

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#11 13-07-13 14:49:59

jackm
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

I don't think anyone is claiming that the black box will make all new drivers more responsible and safer. The theory is that those who make the decision to drive responsibly will not have to bear a financial burden for their peers who decide otherwise. Whether reduced premiums once responsible driving has been demonstrated will be a big enough carrot to affect the attitude of a significant number of drivers who would otherwise have driven in an unsafe manner remains to be seen, but surely anything is worth a try.

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#12 13-07-13 16:36:25

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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

If it saves one life it's a success.

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#13 13-07-13 16:41:04

kaf
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

I have little doubt that they will become all but compulsory within a few years.

Insurance premiums for,those who choose not to,use them will become so,high they will be forced down that route.

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#14 13-07-13 19:10:40

Coasting Mart
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

This is a quite interesting article/report form an insurance company about curfews:
https://app.box.com/s/4vpz0ymx91z5d2zkhsyt


"I swear I found the key to the universe in the engine of an old parked car"

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#15 13-07-13 21:52:50

AUTAX
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

Another interesting Company who don't penalise for the odd drive after 11pm.

Drive Like a Girl

Interesting to hear the mother blaming driver training and reckons there should be a change in the training system.

Teaching youngsters to take responsibility starts in the home not in the driving seat.


Be Fear-less, go GEAR-LESS!

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#16 13-07-13 22:31:41

Evan
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Re: To black box, or not black box, that is the question?

"Teaching youngsters to take responsibility starts in the home not in the driving seat."


There is more truth in this sentence than any other on the thread.

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