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#1 24-04-13 13:07:09

VandADI
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Licence to Kill

BBC3 9pm tonight.

Almost 10 years after the crash that left her paralysed, Sophie Morgan explores why road traffic collisions are the single biggest killer of young people in the UK, and meets people who, like her, have seen their lives transformed forever in just an instant.

As she talks to drivers whose actions have resulted in tragic accidents, and to victims and their families, she tries to understand why a fifth of new drivers will crash within a year of passing their test – and what can be done to stop that. Does it mean driving qualifications are obtained too early, or too easily?

With exclusive access to emergency services and high-profile stories, she follows a number of cases from the scene of the accident through to eventual recovery, or resolution in the courts, and spends an evening with new drivers whose love of speed has led them to risk their lives in illegal racing events.

As this powerful film unfolds, Sophie also comes to terms with what happened in her own accident – for the first time discussing the events of that night with the people her own bad driving could have killed.

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#2 24-04-13 17:24:45

Roadmaster
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Re: Licence to Kill

I believe that most crashes involving youngsters are on rural roads and at night - have they all had enough tuition in this aspect?

Bit difficult in summer when it doesn't go dark until 9/10pm.   Which is another argument for having a minimum learning period I suppose.   
The crashes that do occur are almost always through too much speed, not a lack of practice.  If they drove at an appropriate speed they would be able to handle any situation.

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#3 24-04-13 19:39:22

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Re: Licence to Kill

Most collisions involving young drivers are no different from those involving drivers of any other age group.

The main cause of collisions is 'Failed to look properly'.

Where young drivers are involved in more serious crashes there are a number of factors, not necessarily speed related and not necessarily attitude based:

It will be a car, commonly a three door hatchback around 10 year old

The driver will be male

He will be aged 17-24 (most driver KSIs are 20-24)

He may have consumed alcohol

He will be within 5 miles of his home

It will be at night between 11.00pm and 3.00am

The road will be unlit

It will be rural

It will be single carriageway

It will be national speed limit

The road may be slippery

The car will have at least one passenger

The accident will take place on a bend

It will normally be a left bend

Speed will be a factor

The driver will lose control

There will not be a run-off area

A heavy collision will take place normally on the exit to the offside and involve a substantial object i.e. a tree

Only one vehicle will be involved.


This example deals with a bend related fatality. It is one of the top three, the others being, lost control and head-on collision (overtaking).


Having looked at the list, it is not exhaustive, and not every factor will be present in every collision, a question

Can ADI's do anything else to reduce the risk to young drivers?


Clearly, a lot can be done but that's not to say a lot isn't already being done.

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#4 24-04-13 20:30:20

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Re: Licence to Kill

One thing to perhaps add to TMs very good list:
The driver will swerve while losing control and the car will impact the tree on the passenger side
The passenger will die and the driver may well survive.

I came across some stats somewhere in some programme which made this point about young lads killing their girlfriends.  I think it was trying to get girls to think about who they got into a car with and to beat them round the head if they started driving madly!

It seems to have reduced recently up here but a few years ago, there was a succession of bad crashes exactly as TMs list covers.  Young drivers with a loaded car, at night, coming up to an unexpected bend on a road they didn't know well, and the brakes just don't work as well as when they were learning.  Less time cos of reduced view, much heavier car, and possibly more speed than was really good.  Single vehicle crash, and sometimes fatal.

I think there is an issue of getting further afield while learning and doing some night driving but its not always easy to do.


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#5 24-04-13 21:04:13

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Re: Licence to Kill

Wessex wrote:

New driver? Not long on the road? Any previous incidents?

Age 29, driving 8 years and no previous convictions or collisions. And she passed first time.

How much experience did she have of driving a mid engine rear wheel drive vehicle?

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#6 25-04-13 07:29:11

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Re: Licence to Kill

Wessex wrote:

Well that was a waste of time.

I thought that too

I expected to see some reasons + answers to why these occur as well as possible solutions not virtually 1 hour reporting incidents and the aftermath


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#7 25-04-13 09:43:18

martin Williams
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Re: Licence to Kill

Wessex wrote:

Well that was a waste of time.

It may have been for you and other ADIs as we all know the issues the progam highlighted, but hopfully a few young drivers will change their driving habits after watching the program and lifes may be saved.

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#8 25-04-13 20:00:15

johnp
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Re: Licence to Kill

I thought it a very sensitive and excellent prog.
Such a change from the general rubbish we usually get.
It should be compulsory viewing and I am sure it
would open up very interesting discussions.

Just brings home the issues and makes them personal.
In my patch in a few days 2 dead in separate accidents (one fire engine)
and 2 very seriously injured on Tuesday.

To me the denial of the footballer was amazing until he saw the evidence
and felt the door lock behind him.


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2. "DISABILITY into ABILITY" 
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#9 25-04-13 22:06:28

VandADI
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Re: Licence to Kill

Wessex wrote:

The texting video, when shown, was severely edited in this country before being shown?
In effect it was a damp squid.

Do you mean "damp squib" ?  smile  wink

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#10 25-04-13 22:52:17

Evan
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Re: Licence to Kill

The Safe Drive Initiative was an excellent idea, if  they only do one good thing get that shown to every teenager, better than that make everyone with a driving licence watch it. Let's not forget the amount of Execs, Reps, Taxi Drivers, and Middle aged boy racers in BMW's that tear about our roads. Anyone of us who has a licence has the potential to kill or maim ourselves or a third party.

It's all of our responsibilities.

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#11 26-04-13 06:40:01

trunkmonkey
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Registered: 05-03-09
Posts: 747

Re: Licence to Kill

Worth a read
http://pacts.org.uk/articles-and-press- … .php?id=45

as is the file with it

http://pacts.org.uk/docs/pdf-bank/PACTS … duced1.pdf

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