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#1 28-01-13 11:50:19

Darren8683
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Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

First time poster, but I have looked all over VOSA and DVLA pages online and don't seem to be able to get a clear picture of what I am allowed to drive and what I can't!

Does a cat D licence entitle me to drive a D1+E?
Does a cat C1+E with code 101 entitle me to drive a D1+E?
What is the weight limit a trailer can be before someone would need to have D1+E on their licence?

If anyone can shed any light and give me a definitive answer on any of these I'd be really grateful!

Many Thanks
Darren

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#2 28-01-13 16:18:42

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

Darren8683 wrote:

First time poster, but I have looked all over VOSA and DVLA pages online and don't seem to be able to get a clear picture of what I am allowed to drive and what I can't!

Does a cat D licence entitle me to drive a D1+E?
Does a cat C1+E with code 101 entitle me to drive a D1+E?
What is the weight limit a trailer can be before someone would need to have D1+E on their licence?

If anyone can shed any light and give me a definitive answer on any of these I'd be really grateful!

Many Thanks
Darren

GOODY - My field of knowledge

DVLA should know the answers as its their baby !!

You need a +E on a category you now hold to tow anything over 750 kgs plated MAM

Cat D entitles you to tow a trailer with a maximum plated MAM of 750 kgs
Cat C1 and C1+E are LGV and neither have a 101 code
Cat D1 and D1+E are usually PCV but not if they have a 101 code next to them
Cats C (incl C1 C1+E C & C+E) and D (incl D1 D1+E D & D+E) are seperate so having one does not give the right to the other

A cat C can upgrade a cat D ..... example ..
Driver passes DSA D1 PCV test and then passes DSA C and C+E LGV tests
The result will be D1 D1+E C1 C1+E C & C+E
LGV manual will also upgrade any equivalent PCV auto to manual so D auto will get D manual if the driver passess the LGV C manual test

Last edited by (ROG) (28-01-13 16:23:19)


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#3 28-01-13 19:29:45

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

Since when did a 101 restriction stop a D1/D1E being a PCV, you can still drive these "PCV" categories but not for hire or reward, doesn't change the vehicle type.

John


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#4 28-01-13 19:38:51

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

chevronjohn wrote:

Since when did a 101 restriction stop a D1/D1E being a PCV, you can still drive these "PCV" categories but not for hire or reward, doesn't change the vehicle type.

John

Tricky one - the DVLA and the DSA do not seem to agree on this one - they seem to regard passing the DSA PCV test as being 'PCV'

You are probably correct under the legal specification though

If you take a D1 or C1 test these days and not pass the initial dcpc does the DVLA put a 101 code next to the category ?


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#5 28-01-13 19:49:42

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

Darren8683 wrote:

First time poster, but I have looked all over VOSA and DVLA pages online and don't seem to be able to get a clear picture of what I am allowed to drive and what I can't!

Does a cat D licence entitle me to drive a D1+E?
Does a cat C1+E with code 101 entitle me to drive a D1+E?
What is the weight limit a trailer can be before someone would need to have D1+E on their licence?

If anyone can shed any light and give me a definitive answer on any of these I'd be really grateful!

Many Thanks
Darren

If you hold a category D licence with no restriction code then you can drive any passenger vehicle with a trailer upto 750kg to obtain this category you will have passed a bus driving test.

Passing in a category D bus also gives sub category D1 but does not add +E

If you hold a pre 1997 car licence you will have been issued with D1+E 101 and C1+E

101 - not for hire or reward (applies to minibuses.)




I don't see what PCV PSV (Passenger Carry Vehicle, Public Service Vehicle) have to do with driving licence categories? We are only interested in the seating capacity for D and D1 and weight for trailers and category C vehicles.


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#6 28-01-13 19:50:55

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

Hi

chevronjohn wrote:

Since when did a 101 restriction stop a D1/D1E being a PCV, you can still drive these "PCV" categories but not for hire or reward, doesn't change the vehicle type.

John

If you have, section 19 small bus, or, section 22 community bus, permits then the vehicle can be used for hire or reward (subject to conditions) and the drivers even with restriction 101 can be paid to drive.

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#7 28-01-13 20:12:40

chevronjohn
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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

(ROG) wrote:
chevronjohn wrote:

Since when did a 101 restriction stop a D1/D1E being a PCV, you can still drive these "PCV" categories but not for hire or reward, doesn't change the vehicle type.

John

Tricky one - the DVLA and the DSA do not seem to agree on this one - they seem to regard passing the DSA PCV test as being 'PCV'

You are probably correct under the legal specification though

If you take a D1 or C1 test these days and not pass the initial dcpc does the DVLA put a 101 code next to the category ?

Answer to your last point Rog is no - not everone who takes the test needs it for hire or reward, therefore doesn't need cpc - C1 for paramedics for example, D1 for teachers/outdoor instructors.

John


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#8 28-01-13 20:14:37

chevronjohn
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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

pegasus wrote:

Hi

chevronjohn wrote:

Since when did a 101 restriction stop a D1/D1E being a PCV, you can still drive these "PCV" categories but not for hire or reward, doesn't change the vehicle type.

John

If you have, section 19 small bus, or, section 22 community bus, permits then the vehicle can be used for hire or reward (subject to conditions) and the drivers even with restriction 101 can be paid to drive.

Agree but like i previously said it still doesn't change the vehicle type - it is still a PCV category vehicle.


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#9 28-01-13 20:19:34

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

chevronjohn wrote:
(ROG) wrote:

If you take a D1 or C1 test these days and not pass the initial dcpc does the DVLA put a 101 code next to the category ?

Answer to your last point Rog is no - not everone who takes the test needs it for hire or reward, therefore doesn't need cpc - C1 for paramedics for example, D1 for teachers/outdoor instructors.

John

That is my point - pre 97 has 101 as the D1 is not allowed to be used for h&w
Those without dcpc are also not allowed to do h&w so why do they not have a 101 ?


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#10 28-01-13 20:27:02

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

(ROG) wrote:
chevronjohn wrote:
(ROG) wrote:

If you take a D1 or C1 test these days and not pass the initial dcpc does the DVLA put a 101 code next to the category ?

Answer to your last point Rog is no - not everone who takes the test needs it for hire or reward, therefore doesn't need cpc - C1 for paramedics for example, D1 for teachers/outdoor instructors.

John

That is my point - pre 97 has 101 as the D1 is not allowed to be used for h&w
Those without dcpc are also not allowed to do h&w so why do they not have a 101 ?

Drivers are now issued with a driver CPC card, which must be carried at all times when driving commercially (along with digital tacho if they have been issued with one).


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#11 28-01-13 20:32:31

chevronjohn
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From: North West
Registered: 15-08-10
Posts: 172

Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

(ROG) wrote:
chevronjohn wrote:
(ROG) wrote:

If you take a D1 or C1 test these days and not pass the initial dcpc does the DVLA put a 101 code next to the category ?

Answer to your last point Rog is no - not everone who takes the test needs it for hire or reward, therefore doesn't need cpc - C1 for paramedics for example, D1 for teachers/outdoor instructors.

John

That is my point - pre 97 has 101 as the D1 is not allowed to be used for h&w
Those without dcpc are also not allowed to do h&w so why do they not have a 101 ?

Because they have taken the relevant driving test and not recieved the licence via grandfather rights( pre 1997), their only bar to driving for hire or reward is Initial driver cpc, pass it if they need to, if not they still hold a full unrestricted licence.

Last edited by chevronjohn (28-01-13 20:34:30)


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#12 28-01-13 20:35:54

chevronjohn
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From: North West
Registered: 15-08-10
Posts: 172

Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

reddragonbus wrote:
(ROG) wrote:
chevronjohn wrote:

Answer to your last point Rog is no - not everone who takes the test needs it for hire or reward, therefore doesn't need cpc - C1 for paramedics for example, D1 for teachers/outdoor instructors.

John

That is my point - pre 97 has 101 as the D1 is not allowed to be used for h&w
Those without dcpc are also not allowed to do h&w so why do they not have a 101 ?

Drivers are now issued with a driver CPC card, which must be carried at all times when driving commercially (along with digital tacho if they have been issued with one).

Only if they need the qualification card for commercial purposes - non commercial, no card needed


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#13 30-01-13 09:46:50

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Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

Thanks for all your information so far smile

So if I wanted to tow a trailer which has a MAM over 750kg does that mean re-sitting both the theory and practical test? Or is there a shortened version of the practical test that I would have to take, in order to demonstrate my ability to maneouvre the minibus or coach and trailer?

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#14 30-01-13 10:41:52

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Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Cat D(+E) and D1(+E) Clarification

Darren8683 wrote:

Thanks for all your information so far smile

So if I wanted to tow a trailer which has a MAM over 750kg does that mean re-sitting both the theory and practical test? Or is there a shortened version of the practical test that I would have to take, in order to demonstrate my ability to maneouvre the minibus or coach and trailer?

To get a D1+E when you already have D means you either have to pass the DSA D1+E or the D+E test
All you need to do, if you have D already, is to take and pass the on-road, reversing and un/couple test - no theory medical etc

The test is between 1 and 1.5 hours long

Last edited by (ROG) (30-01-13 10:43:01)


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