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#1 18-12-12 17:53:45

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Animals

What do you advise your pupils to do in the situation where an animal runs out into the road unexpectedly?

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#2 18-12-12 18:12:39

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Re: Animals

I advise them to avoid hitting it if possible, but not to put themselves or me in danger by doing so. That means not doing an emergency stop but steering under control to avoid the animal. Deer coming out in front of the car is a regular occurrence on lessons just now and so far we have not hit one.

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#3 18-12-12 19:18:50

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Re: Animals

Don't panic!!!

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#4 18-12-12 20:07:38

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Re: Animals

I printed this off to show pupils, gets them to think about being prepared, eveluating the situation around them at all times and what outcomes can evolve from taking various courses of action.

http://www.car-accidents.com/2007-auto- … crash.html

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#5 18-12-12 20:11:00

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Re: Animals

Mentor wrote:

I advise them to avoid hitting it if possible, but not to put themselves or me in danger by doing so. That means not doing an emergency stop but steering under control to avoid the animal. Deer coming out in front of the car is a regular occurrence on lessons just now and so far we have not hit one.



http://www.deercollisions.co.uk/


surprising figures

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#6 18-12-12 20:11:11

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Re: Animals

Wessex wrote:

Small cats & dogs, squirrels or foxes; check mirror first and if clear then brake as hard as necessary.

Larger animals like deer, then think what would happen if they crashed against the windscreen? Anything that is threatening human life, my life, then an emergency stop.


This is exactly how I teach it.

Maz.

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#7 18-12-12 20:23:44

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Re: Animals

Teaching what to do is one thing,  but.............

It's a natural reaction to brake or swerve, regardless of what they have been taught.   Real life is very different from a staged emergency stop.  There isn't time to think about looking in the mirror to see if it's safe.

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#8 18-12-12 20:50:48

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Re: Animals

Roadmaster wrote:

Teaching what to do is one thing,  but.............

It's a natural reaction to brake or swerve, regardless of what they have been taught.   Real life is very different from a staged emergency stop.  There isn't time to think about looking in the mirror to see if it's safe.

If its an animal time has to be made, I spend a lot of time making drivers "think twice" before over-reacting to hazards. Fortunately being semi-rural, most get the chance to put this into practice.

One of my fears is that on a rural road with no escape, that a driver coming in the opposite direction will swerve into the path of my vehicle to avoid a squirrel or many of the other small animals that frequent country roads. I try to make sure my former pupils won't be this person.

Maz.

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#9 18-12-12 22:35:12

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Re: Animals

I teach to use horn too!


"What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself."
Abraham Maslow

21st Century Women http://www.loisontheloose.com/my-advent … /the-team/

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#10 19-12-12 00:27:01

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Re: Animals

If it's a deer then don't brake as when the front of the car dips down you're more likely to get it through your windscreen... Accelerate and it'll fly over the car!

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#11 19-12-12 09:50:00

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Re: Animals

It is a good example of why they should ALWAYS know what is going on behind them, they do not have time to check the mirrors when it happens!

There is no black and white answer, they need to be able to evaluate what course of action is going to cause the least risk to human life.

The larger the animal is the more the likelihood they will need to avoid it. 2 tons of prime McDonalds through the windscreen is not good.

I don't give therm advice, I talk through different scenario's and let them come to conclusions about the best course of action.

What I am trying to get over to them is the need to THINK not REACT.

They have about 2/3 of a second to overcome the primitive instinct to hit the brakes and allow the frontal lobe cognitive part of the brain to take over and make a rational decision.

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#12 19-12-12 11:03:06

Roadmaster
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Re: Animals

kaf wrote:

2 tons of prime McDonalds through the windscreen is not good.

You live in a good area.  Around here they use the arse end of cow  lol

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#13 19-12-12 15:06:29

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Re: Animals

Blindspot wrote:
Kaf wrote:

What I am trying to get over to them is the need to THINK not REACT

Eh?

By the time they've done thinking it's probably too late.

BS

And if they don't, they make bad decisions.

2 years ago, 3 kids died in a car crash near me, an animal ran into the road, the driver tried to avoid it and put the car into a bridge. he was the only one who lived. His brother and two mates died.

If he had been prepared to think instead of just instinctively react, they might not have.

There is always time to make a decision, IF the driver is expecting it and prepared to have to make one.

You carry on expecting little from your students, I will carry on expecting a lot!

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#14 19-12-12 15:29:11

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Re: Animals

kaf wrote:

And if they don't, they make bad decisions.

2 years ago, 3 kids died in a car crash near me, an animal ran into the road, the driver tried to avoid it and put the car into a bridge. he was the only one who lived. His brother and two mates died.

If he had been prepared to think instead of just instinctively react, they might not have.

There is always time to make a decision, IF the driver is expecting it and prepared to have to make one.

You carry on expecting little from your students, I will carry on expecting a lot!


No ADI can know if the training they have given will produce the right result, because it's only ever theoretical.    If the driver is expecting it, then they will probably make the right decision, but the very nature of an emergency is  that most of the time you don't expect it.   

In post no. 10 Maz said that he makes his pupils  'think twice' before making a decision.  What a luxury!  In that time, at 30 mph thinking twice will have taken them 18 metres nearer to whatever they are trying to avoid.  And then another 14 metres to stop!

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#15 19-12-12 16:32:52

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Re: Animals

From the time you see the problem, to the time you put your foot on the brake is @ 2/3 of a second.

You would be amazed at how much the brain can calculate in that time. Think of the calculations it makes in relation to speed, angle, trajectory etc just to catch a ball.

Don't underestimate what they can do if you get them to understand what they have to decide and when.

If you never go through it with them, they will never get it right. if you do go through it, then they just might when they really need to.

Awareness of how acting purely on instinct can be dangerous, provides the pathway to better decision making.

Feel free to dismiss the idea, I don't need to answer to a forum, I believe in my practices.

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#16 19-12-12 23:04:20

MAZ
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From: N/Wales, Cheshire
Registered: 13-06-06
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Re: Animals

Roadmaster wrote:
kaf wrote:

And if they don't, they make bad decisions.

2 years ago, 3 kids died in a car crash near me, an animal ran into the road, the driver tried to avoid it and put the car into a bridge. he was the only one who lived. His brother and two mates died.

If he had been prepared to think instead of just instinctively react, they might not have.

There is always time to make a decision, IF the driver is expecting it and prepared to have to make one.

You carry on expecting little from your students, I will carry on expecting a lot!


No ADI can know if the training they have given will produce the right result, because it's only ever theoretical.    If the driver is expecting it, then they will probably make the right decision, but the very nature of an emergency is  that most of the time you don't expect it.   

In post no. 10 Maz said that he makes his pupils  'think twice' before making a decision.  What a luxury!  In that time, at 30 mph thinking twice will have taken them 18 metres nearer to whatever they are trying to avoid.  And then another 14 metres to stop!

"Think Twice" is just a turn of phrase for not acting immediately on instinct but rationalizing the situation. It does not take as long as you think.

As an example, I am sure we have all seen the SAS type marksman training, where marksman are sent into a building where random pop up cardboard cut-outs of the enemy appear and require "taking out", but occasionally a friendly cardboard cut-out of a woman with child will pop up and require to be not shot at. Basically, thinking twice before firing. Its just a "split second".

Yes they are trained for this, and this is where we come in with our pupils.

Maz.

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#17 20-12-12 06:57:45

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Re: Animals

BUt as I keep pointing out, it's different when you are expecting it to happen, as in the case of waiting for a target to appear.  In real life driving you are not at test-level tension all the time.

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