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#1 12-10-12 21:48:27

MAZ
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WW1 Centenary 2014

It always amazes me when I open my Google home page to see a new Google Doodle and hovering my mouse over it tells me its "Mr Somebodys" 217th birthday!!

It always begs the question, isn't there someone of more recent fame and significance with a birthday today??

Mr Camerons speech yesterday, imploring that we match the governments 50 million pounds investment in the 2014 WW1 Centenary celebrations with the enthusiasm we showed in the Queens Diamond Jubilee and the Olympics, left me wondering:

Is 100 years too far back in time to spend such a vast amount of money on celebration, or is there some benefit to all this?

Maz.

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#2 13-10-12 06:14:53

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Is 100 years too far back in time to spend such a vast amount of money on celebration, or is there some benefit to all this?

Yes I think it is too much to spend.   It doesn't cost anything to remember.

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#3 13-10-12 07:08:02

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Try 1314  wink


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#4 13-10-12 07:54:39

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

In answer to Maz's question: yes, 50m is too much. WW1 was devastating in every way, but it was a long time ago and the country's finances are in very bad shape. WW1 can be commemorated with quiet dignity at a local level, for example in churches, at public events and in the media. A grand gesture by the government is not required (not by this taxpayer, anyway). The more cynical among us will note that the intended celebrations are very adjacent to the 2015 elections!

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#5 13-10-12 09:09:29

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I put a huge value on those things and I'll remember in my own way, but I don't need a grand gesture from the government (using our money) to help me do this. What can the government do that we can't do between ourselves in families or groups or amongst friends and colleagues? Governments have succeeded in leading us into wars and bankrupting the state so I'd prefer it on this occasion if they just left us to it. I'm not saying the event should go unnoticed by HMG, but a few dignified words from the PM would suffice (and be wonderfully free!).

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#6 13-10-12 09:24:38

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Blindspot wrote:

It is also worth noting that schoolchildren will be sent to view the battlefields of Flanders, Verdun, Ypres and the Somme and the vast graveyards.  In view of the failure of the education system to teach history properly anymore this can only be a good thing.

Agreed, but only if they're taught about the true causes of WW1, rather than perpetuating the myth that we were fighting for our freedom.

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#7 13-10-12 10:21:15

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

The issue is not about teaching history, that's already done in schools.   it's about wasting scarce resources for a one off celebration rather than using it wisely to help people in need, who are more concerned about their future rather than the past.

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#8 13-10-12 10:44:19

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

My personal view is that there is no way we should be celebrating the worst war in history.

It's 100 years after the end of it we should celebrate.

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#9 13-10-12 21:39:30

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

It matters not what it costs for us to remember those who gave up everything they had. The loss of life, the loss of loved ones that so many families had to deal with. The freedom and autonomy guaranteed for generations after bought with the ultimate sacfice a human being can give.

It's our duty to remember, to reflect and to embrace the great sacrifice made by our brave armed forces both now and in the past.

God bless them and their families.

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#10 13-10-12 21:59:28

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Celebrate is definitely NOT the right word - there is a huge difference between celebrate and commemorate.


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#11 14-10-12 23:53:34

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Something not right there.
Why on earth would we celebrate the anniversary of the start of WW1?
The anniversary of the end, yes. Or are we planning to do both ?  hmm

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#12 15-10-12 08:31:37

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

I reckon there will be another commemoration in 2018. So another 50,000,000 pounds will need to be set aside, plus about 50% for the inevitable cost over-runs. Rather than the government leaving it to us plebs to commemorate WW1 in our own way, or including it in the existing Remembrance Sunday events, they will want to be seen to be Doing Something, so cheque books ready, please! Actually, cheque books or 'please' not required, the Chancellor will just help himself from your pay packet...much more efficient!

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#13 15-10-12 11:41:56

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Europe, the foreign aid budget and welfare costs are spectacular examples of government profligacy and waste. They are excellent reasons for the government to get involved as little as possible.

If we as individuals want to mark the occasion, we could join a volunteer group and help to tidy war memorials, learn more about the war by reading about it, or watching the many TV programmes that will be shown, volunteering to sell poppies, giving to charities OF OUR CHOICE, making sure that young people are aware of how awful the war was, attending memorial events organised by the British Legion etc, attending the various events held every year to commemorate sacrifices made in all wars, find out if there's someone in our street or our family who was affected by the war and do for them some small act of kindness, or get involved in fund-raising events. The list goes on, but the common ingredient for all these things is that they are personal and none require government intervention or taxpayer's money.

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#14 15-10-12 17:40:09

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Sorry, rant not intended to be directed at anyone in particular x

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#15 15-10-12 17:46:41

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

http://www.pals.org.uk/pals_e.htm

This is worth a read puts things in perspective I think.

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#16 15-10-12 19:26:22

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Thanks Triker and yes some were little more than children going to fight for their country. When you consider that many will not go to work now if they have a cold it puts things in perspective.

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#17 15-10-12 20:53:40

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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

Oh, please. What personal sacrifice are you undertaking to ensure that those young people didn't die in vain? What are you doing to preserve their legacy? What efforts are you personally making to make sure this savagery doesn't happen again? Why do you need to delegate this responsibility to the government? Why is it necessary to give 50,000,000 to a government committee or a quango to do this on your behalf? A small, personal gesture is worth ten times more

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#18 15-10-12 21:54:11

Evan
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Re: WW1 Centenary 2014

To be honest Andrew I don't think any of us can match the sacrifice of those who lost their lives as they gave the ultimate sacrifice.

All we can do is remember, respect and acknowledge, teach the young about the human cost. Be glad that we have not been ordered at the blast of a whistle, to climb up over a mud and water filled trench and face certain death from machine guns being fired at us. I am not sure how that can be represented in money.

I am sure of one thing though, Great Britain and all it stands for, was bought at a very high human cost on far away fields of conflict, from very ordinary young men and women showing outstanding bravery in the face of great danger. They had a devotion and a belief in their country and the people they defended in two World Wars.

The very least we can do, is to remember that cost of human life in any way we are asked, after all, none of US are being asked to put our life on the line.

Just my take on things thats all.

Last edited by Evan (15-10-12 22:01:20)

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