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#1 08-09-12 19:48:22

Lady-Hynarc
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Middle Lane Hoggers

As a driver, how do you deal with middle lane hoggers?  That is, those drivers who insist on not driving in the left lane of a dual carriageway.

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#2 08-09-12 19:56:15

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Hi
Depends how long they stay there.
Usually wait for an audi,bmw or white van to wake them up!
Peter


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#3 08-09-12 21:11:46

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Hi
What is to prevent a DC having 3 lanes each side?

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#4 08-09-12 21:12:59

Lady-Hynarc
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Sorry to be pedantic myself but a dual carriageway can have as many lanes as it likes  big_smile  As discussed here previously, a dual carriageway simply has to have a central reservation.

In fact the A2 has 4 lanes each way - it's still a dual carriageway.  tongue

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#5 08-09-12 21:58:34

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Well if it has more than two lanes and somone is "hogging" lane 2 why not just overtake in lane 3???

Maz.

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#6 09-09-12 07:50:15

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

How do you deal with a 2 lane dual carriageway when the old man in the Daewoo Matiz sits in lane 2 at 20mph and refuses to speed up or return to lane 1?!?


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#7 09-09-12 08:04:16

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

undertake him

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#8 09-09-12 09:12:11

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

On the approach to such a vehicle in a lane to your right observe them carefully and if it looks like they will be staying there then simply pass them on their left

That is not illegal and if the vehicle in the right lane suddenly decides to move left without doing it safely then it is they who will be legally in the wrong for an unsafe lane change

The HC suggests that passing on the right is better and that makes sense because for right hand drive vehicles the bigger blind spot is on the left

The problem might be with DSA examiners who look upon passing on left as a non starter


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#9 09-09-12 11:06:42

driverpete
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

robcooling wrote:

How do you deal with a 2 lane dual carriageway when the old man in the Daewoo Matiz sits in lane 2 at 20mph and refuses to speed up or return to lane 1?!?

Initially, a flash of the headlights to let him know I'm there then if there's no response I'd pass (carefully) on the left. Don't know what I'd do if it wasn't a Daewoo Matiz  wink .


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#10 09-09-12 14:56:59

MAZ
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

If its a Daewoo Matiz, I would imagine the horn would be better as the wind from the horn blast would push a Matiz up to 70mph, problem solved. wink
Maz.

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#11 30-09-12 17:33:58

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

(ROG) wrote:

On the approach to such a vehicle in a lane to your right observe them carefully and if it looks like they will be staying there then simply pass them on their left

That is not illegal and if the vehicle in the right lane suddenly decides to move left without doing it safely then it is they who will be legally in the wrong for an unsafe lane change

The HC suggests that passing on the right is better and that makes sense because for right hand drive vehicles the bigger blind spot is on the left

The problem might be with DSA examiners who look upon passing on left as a non starter

Overtaking on the left in any circumstances, requires careful consideration to avoid legal and practical problems.

If the cops are behind the situation described and they decide to act, their first reaction would probably be that both drivers have committed an offence - the middle lane hogger for driving without due care and consideration and the undertaker for driving without due care and attention. From that point, they would decide on the precise circumstances on which one - or both - might be reported. Depending on the circumstances, they might decide that the undertaker acted reasonably and responsibly but that depends on a whole host of evidence. They might decide that both acted unreasonably. There is no black and white here as the quote suggests.

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#12 30-09-12 17:40:44

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

dth-adi wrote:

Overtaking on the left in any circumstances, requires careful consideration to avoid legal and practical problems.

What legal problems?


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#13 30-09-12 17:49:58

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

(ROG) wrote:
dth-adi wrote:

Overtaking on the left in any circumstances, requires careful consideration to avoid legal and practical problems.

What legal problems?

Those described in my post.

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#14 30-09-12 17:51:42

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

dth-adi wrote:
(ROG) wrote:
dth-adi wrote:

Overtaking on the left in any circumstances, requires careful consideration to avoid legal and practical problems.

What legal problems?

Those described in my post.

Why would a driver get charged with DWDCaT if they passed on the nearside safely? - you have me confused on this one so please explain why


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#15 30-09-12 18:19:50

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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

If they passed on the nearside safely, there may be no consequences. I was simply correcting the assumption conveyed by the choice of phrasing in your post ie:

That is not illegal and if the vehicle in the right lane suddenly decides to move left without doing it safely then it is they who will be legally in the wrong for an unsafe lane change

that passing on the nearside is always OK.

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#16 30-09-12 19:09:21

(ROG)
Verified Member
From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

dth-adi wrote:

If they passed on the nearside safely, there may be no consequences. I was simply correcting the assumption conveyed by the choice of phrasing in your post ie:

That is not illegal and if the vehicle in the right lane suddenly decides to move left without doing it safely then it is they who will be legally in the wrong for an unsafe lane change

that passing on the nearside is always OK.

There is no difference in passing one side or the other as far as the law is concerned as either is either done safely or not

In passing on either side my underlined statement is correct


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Leicester group of advanced motorists
LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008

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#17 30-09-12 19:20:29

dth-adi
Verified Member
Registered: 19-09-04
Posts: 1,402

Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

(ROG) wrote:
dth-adi wrote:

If they passed on the nearside safely, there may be no consequences. I was simply correcting the assumption conveyed by the choice of phrasing in your post ie:

That is not illegal and if the vehicle in the right lane suddenly decides to move left without doing it safely then it is they who will be legally in the wrong for an unsafe lane change

that passing on the nearside is always OK.

There is no difference in passing one side or the other as far as the law is concerned as either is either done safely or not

In passing on either side my underlined statement is correct

Well, we are all entitled to our opinions based on our knowledge and experience smile

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#18 30-09-12 20:22:45

Robbie
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From: Shrewsbury
Registered: 29-02-04
Posts: 1,230
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

i had a similar situation 2 weeks ago on the D/C around Shrewsbury.
I was in left lane of the 2 lanes, and accelerating off roundabout. there was a woman in front in lane 2 actually in a daewoo but not a matiz.
i was catching her and there was an Audi catching me up behind.
I moved into lane 2 and as i got nearer to the woman in the Daewoo she moved into lane 1 and i passed then immediately she moved back into lane 2 in front of the Audi.
I saw headlights flashing from the Audi, she moved back to the left, and then after the Audi had passed she moved back into lane 2!!!

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#19 01-10-12 08:41:20

Promanade
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Personally i cannot see how it can be illegal to pass on the left, when on a motorway behind a gritter in the winter it advises drivers to pass on the left or the right as it the gritter will always take up the middle lane. When on a 2 lane D/C you may have a funeral in the right hand lane turning right in a mile or so, you would pass on the left. These are the grey areas that need to be taught correctly and safely in "certain" circumstances. Sometimes to many teach to much black and white ie (NEVER pass on the left) confusing the learner,


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#20 01-10-12 09:49:20

pegasus
Verified Member
From: north west
Registered: 25-02-05
Posts: 3,303

Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Hi
Rule 163

?only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
?stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left

The problem is that there is no definition in the HC of slow/slowly.

Surely we have all experienced pupils, and indeed many others, who think they are driving fast while we consider they are slow, and vice versa.

Slow/fast are terms which are associated with relativity.

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#21 01-10-12 17:39:12

dth-adi
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Posts: 1,402

Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Perhaps we should be aware of the concept that stuff can be outside the law even though such stuff may not be specifically illegal.

As far as gritters are concerned, this is a specific situation and the merits or de-merits of drivers decisions in dealing with such circumstances are entirely dependent upon what they did and in what circumstances including any signage on the slower vehicle.

Life is not as black and white as some would wish and neither is driving. In the same vein, Triker's posted situation needs to be tested by circumstances and reasonability.

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#22 01-10-12 20:00:03

graham121150
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From: Long Eaton
Registered: 29-08-11
Posts: 648
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

I think it is very dangerous to allow overtaking on the left, to become the norm. I have from time to time overtaken correctly on the left. In my view. But the looks you get from other motorists big_smile

Graham

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#23 02-10-12 06:58:21

(ROG)
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From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Wessex wrote:

Who in the right mind would overtake, either side, a gritter gritting a motorway? |

Who would be daft enough to sit behind it at a max of 45 mph for mile after mile when it is safe to pass?


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Leicester group of advanced motorists
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#24 02-10-12 09:40:21

kaf
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From: Wiltshire
Registered: 05-08-07
Posts: 3,328
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

graham121150 wrote:

I think it is very dangerous to allow overtaking on the left, to become the norm. I have from time to time overtaken correctly on the left. In my view. But the looks you get from other motorists big_smile

Graham


On the contrary, if it became the norm, it would become safer as drivers would expect it to happen and be less likely to move back left without checking.

Personally I am happy to pass on the left if.

A. Can can make a significant speed difference relative to the other vehicle reducing the time I am alongside it.

B. I have observed the other car long enough to be satisfied that it is maintaining its position so less likely to be about to move left.

C. if at all possible only carry out the manoeuvre where I have an additional safety margin available to my left  eg. lane 1 or hard shoulder clear.

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#25 02-10-12 11:14:38

kaf
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From: Wiltshire
Registered: 05-08-07
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Re: Middle Lane Hoggers

Triker wrote:

Incidentally kaf...this is a wonderful image........ how are your 'can can' lessons going?  lol


Just because I stutter there is no need to mock.   tongue

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