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#1 15-05-12 08:59:34

A.B.M.W
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Posts: 14

Minibus assessment clarifacation

Hi all,

I am after a little clarifacation please with regards to minibus assessments, I think that myself and my colleague have looked at so much stuff that we have confused ourselves  smile

Our specific question is this:

Does an ADI who conducts minibus assessments for a local authority need to have passed a D1 test themselves?

Thanks in anticipation,

Andy

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#2 15-05-12 10:08:47

(ROG)
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From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
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Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

A.B.M.W wrote:

Hi all,

I am after a little clarifacation please with regards to minibus assessments, I think that myself and my colleague have looked at so much stuff that we have confused ourselves  smile

Our specific question is this:

Does an ADI who conducts minibus assessments for a local authority need to have passed a D1 test themselves?

Thanks in anticipation,

Andy

The law is this

For supervising/assessing/instructing for payment on any licence above category B there is no requirement to be an ADI

The person assessing a full licence holder in a category (D1 in this case) is not required to hold that category (but it is good practice for the assessor to have it)

If they were the supervising driver of a learner in that category then they must have passed the DSA test for that category (or a higher DSA test that covers it)
There is an exception for pre 1997 B+E licence holders who are not required to pass the DSA test to supervise B+E learners

To confirm the legal aspect this company http://www.ddtgroup.com/courses/standar … ssessments do those assessments and are very helpful
They will also confirm what I said about 'best practise'

Last edited by (ROG) (15-05-12 10:22:53)


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#3 15-05-12 10:37:57

A.B.M.W
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Posts: 14

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

Many thanks ROG for the clarifacation, that is just what we needed and suspected. But, better to be safe and ask the question than end up with egg on our faces  smile

Much appreciated,

Andy

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#4 15-05-12 12:13:19

ratty
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Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

I do these assessments for my local authority and it is their practice that anyone doing the assessments must be qualified to train in the vehicle being used so most of us hold full D entitlements and are recognised (by the authority) trainer / instructors. This is because as part of the assessment, if the candidate would benefit from some instruction, we can give it. Obviously this is a credibility 'thing' as opposed to being a legal requirement.

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#5 15-05-12 19:36:26

trunkmonkey
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Posts: 747

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

I have this response from DSA  dated  15 September 2011

Dear ,
Thank you for your email of 2 September.

From 1 May 2010 it has been illegal for holders of a Cat B with implied entitlements (Acquired Rights) for C1 and D1 vehicles to instruct or supervise learner drivers for these categories.

Licence holders with acquired rights can however provide an ‘assessment’ for full licence holders but not paid or unpaid instruction.

Please note however that if stopped by the Police it would be down to them to determine if a person was providing instruction or an assessment.

I hope this is of assistance.

Yours sincerely

John Armstrong
Driving Standards Agency
Corporate Correspondence
PO Box 280
NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE99 1FP

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#6 15-05-12 20:15:31

(ROG)
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From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

trunkmonkey wrote:

I have this response from DSA  dated  15 September 2011

Dear ,
Thank you for your email of 2 September.

From 1 May 2010 it has been illegal for holders of a Cat B with implied entitlements (Acquired Rights) for C1 and D1 vehicles to instruct or supervise learner drivers for these categories.

Licence holders with acquired rights can however provide an ‘assessment’ for full licence holders but not paid or unpaid instruction.

Please note however that if stopped by the Police it would be down to them to determine if a person was providing instruction or an assessment.

I hope this is of assistance.

Yours sincerely

John Armstrong
Driving Standards Agency
Corporate Correspondence
PO Box 280
NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE99 1FP

The OP is assessing full licence holders


IAM Observer
Leicester group of advanced motorists
LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008

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#7 15-05-12 20:23:35

trunkmonkey
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Registered: 05-03-09
Posts: 747

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

(ROG) wrote:
trunkmonkey wrote:

I have this response from DSA  dated  15 September 2011

Dear ,
Thank you for your email of 2 September.

From 1 May 2010 it has been illegal for holders of a Cat B with implied entitlements (Acquired Rights) for C1 and D1 vehicles to instruct or supervise learner drivers for these categories.

Licence holders with acquired rights can however provide an ‘assessment’ for full licence holders but not paid or unpaid instruction.

Please note however that if stopped by the Police it would be down to them to determine if a person was providing instruction or an assessment.

I hope this is of assistance.

Yours sincerely

John Armstrong
Driving Standards Agency
Corporate Correspondence
PO Box 280
NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE99 1FP

The OP is assessing full licence holders


Thank you for your highlighted area. 

Now if you'd care to look again at mine.

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#8 15-05-12 20:28:05

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Registered: 05-02-06
Posts: 1,653

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

You don't even need to hold a driving licence for a car to assess someone else's ability to drive a minibus.

To have any credibility as an assessor or instructor you should at least have passed the test for the vehicle you are dealing with. Otherwise it is the blind leading the blind.

It is the old story of the fleet ADI who climbs into the cab of an artic and say to the driver who they are supposed to be assessing "oh my it is high up here".   yikes


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#9 16-05-12 12:03:02

A.B.M.W
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Registered: 30-03-09
Posts: 14

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

Thanks everyone for the input.

Just to clarify, the ADI is/will be paid to give the assesment. So is that ok?

Andy

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#10 16-05-12 14:20:52

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Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Minibus assessment clarifacation

A.B.M.W wrote:

Thanks everyone for the input.

Just to clarify, the ADI is/will be paid to give the assesment. So is that ok?

Andy

Yes

A non ADI can be paid for doing this - there are no laws regarding C & D categories in regard to payments


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