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#26 08-05-12 06:23:18

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

Urban dual carriageway Muirhouse Edinburgh

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=granton … 36.99,,0,0

Street lights residential area: 30mph limit.


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#27 08-05-12 06:25:05

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

Urban dual carriageway Calder Road Edinburgh

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=calder+ … 266.3,,0,0

This road has street lighting with 40 repeaters.


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#28 08-05-12 06:27:21

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

Urban dual carriageway Sighthill Edinburgh

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=calder+ … 2,315,,0,0

This road has speed humps and a 20 speed limit in force.


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#29 08-05-12 06:33:24

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

Another interesting feature which appears alot in Scotland.

This bridge has been built with an extra span:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=eh22&hl … ,,0,0&z=13

If you are in any doubt, you are on one carriageway at this point there is space reserved here to build a second carriageway in the future! So this road is not dualled, it is a single carriageway!


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#30 08-05-12 06:59:15

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

reddragonbus wrote:

Another interesting feature which appears alot in Scotland.

This bridge has been built with an extra span:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=eh22&hl … ,,0,0&z=13

If you are in any doubt, you are on one carriageway at this point there is space reserved here to build a second carriageway in the future! So this road is not dualled, it is a single carriageway!

On closer inspection it looks like kerbing between the opposing lanes and if that is the case and in a NSL then its a dual


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#31 08-05-12 07:24:41

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

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reddragonbus wrote:

Another interesting feature which appears alot in Scotland.

This bridge has been built with an extra span:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=eh22&hl … ,,0,0&z=13

If you are in any doubt, you are on one carriageway at this point there is space reserved here to build a second carriageway in the future! So this road is not dualled, it is a single carriageway!

On closer inspection it looks like kerbing between the opposing lanes and if that is the case and in a NSL then its a dual

It is an island to prevent traffic turning right.


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#32 08-05-12 09:28:57

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

reddragonbus wrote:

The national speed limit does not apply automatically by default, there is no need to post a speed limit on entering a dual carriageway. If you are driving around a town in a 30 zone you cannot boot it to 70 just because there is an island in the middle of the road.

I don't think that's the issue - it's (for me at least) if the road is clearly signed as NSL, what would you tell a pupil the legal speed limit was on the "dual carriageway" section, irrespective of whether that limit was viable?

reddragonbus wrote:

There should be signs on entering and leaving a dual carriageway.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 says:
"On a single carriageway road which widens to a dual carriageway for a length of at least 400 metres, an advance sign to diagram 818 should be provided. ......If the dual carriageway is shorter than 400 metres, no advance sign should be provided."

Diagram 818 is the "Dual Carriageway Ahead" sign.  Note the "should".  Maybe it's different in Scotland.

And this goes someway to defining the length of a DC - it can at least be shorter than 400m!

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#33 14-05-12 12:17:47

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

I'm afraid I can't quote the precise width without a lot of digging (not in the road itself you understand smile ) but there is a legal requirement with regard to the measurement of the separation betweeen the two carriageways.

The 'road' or 'highway' itself has a specific definition and width which doesn't necessarily relate directly to where the tarmac finishes. There are also lots of legal requirements and best practice procedures that apply to road signage, markings and street furniture.

I think the comment with regard to the difference between a dual-carriageway and a specific traffic management measure is also correct. Street engineering, however long it may be, is critical for the enforcement of speed limits for various types of vehicles.

If signage etc is unclear, the best thing to do is take it up with the local roads authority in the first instance. If we don't, who will? Try www.fixmystreet.com

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#34 14-05-12 20:19:58

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

The minimum distance ACPO recommend for a following check to report a driver is 2/10ths of a mile (352yds).

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#35 14-05-12 20:48:00

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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

But it is a lot less when using a hair dryer.

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#36 15-05-12 16:41:23

trunkmonkey
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Registered: 05-03-09
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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

ratty wrote:

But it is a lot less when using a hair dryer.

Never done a following check using a hair drier. Needs a steady hand.

I've spoken to the Highways Engineers and there is no minimum distance for a stretch of road to be deemed a dual carriageway.
There is a sign additional to 818 mentioned earlier and it's 818.1A  (a lot of thought went into that).

This sign denotes 'Dual Carriageway for 1/4 mile'.  It is there to warn drivers that the stretch is short and not advisable for an overtake manoeuvre.

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#37 28-06-12 15:55:00

Newrose
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Registered: 25-01-12
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Re: Dual Carriageways - I'm Confused

The Highway Code says... "A dual carriageway is a road which has a central reservation to separate the carriageways." 
This ia by far the best definition of a dual carrier, and there is no reference to length of it or the size of reservation.

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