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#1 17-04-12 14:36:51

martin1970
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Trainee Licence or Not?

Hi, Just starting my part 3 so still a while off before I think about a Trainee Licence and Test. My question is is it legal to be able to fit dual controls , get correct insurance (this next bit is my main Q) and instruct but do not charge?
I'm just thinking ahead being able to have a student or 2 to be able to get the hours of practise in (prior to  part 3 test) and not be intrested in the self employment aspect as all costs will be my responsibility. So as I wont be charging or earning any money I wont need to be registered as self employed. Obviously my main incentive is to get the tuition practise in whilst helping out one or two students by giving them free lessons.

Constructive thoughts and comments please..


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#2 17-04-12 15:09:28

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

Hi
Good luck.
The challenge may be from your insurers;i cant give an answer but a specialist drivinginstructor insurance company may be your best 1st call for advice.
You can teach people without any qualifications[apart from driving licence held 3 years and over21] if you arent charging,so no problem there.
Peter


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#3 17-04-12 15:18:12

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

No problem with insurance so long as you've passed part 2 and have duals fitted.

In my case, the premium was only a few pounds more than I'd been paying previously for just self+wife.

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#4 17-04-12 15:25:43

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

Thanks for the above,as you say MGM insurance wont be that much of a difference, will be using my car (all paid for) already got Road Tax, only real out going cost will be to purchase and fit Dual controls 9and fuel sad


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Part 2 Passed 26/03/2012 - 3 minors  smile
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#5 20-04-12 17:06:00

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

hi, i did the same, no charge for lessons and just practise for me,
however the insurance company will want to see a pink liscence before they give you instructor insurance,and will insist on you having dual controls. at least Waveny insurance expected this,  and they were the best price and options for cover. not sure if all companies are the same....
that is the route i took. had to do my 40 hours training first to get a pink liscence to then practice....depends how much you want to practice, and remember you have to pay for a pink liscence and have gone through the 40 hours minimum training.
The best option is to ring round a few insurance companies to see what they say...
good luck


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part 3 04/07/12 first time 4/4. big_smile
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#6 20-04-12 20:09:01

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

I wouldn't bother trying to get real pupil practice to pass the part 3. Real world tuition is unlikely to help you and may even be a distraction from what is really important. What you need is a good part 3 trainer who can show you the techniques for passing the test, which is no more than a role play game.  By all means get a part 3 buddy to practice with and cover the core competencies until you know them backwards. Understanding what the Part 3 is all about and what the SE is expecting from you is far more important than any real world experience you might gain.

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#7 20-04-12 20:37:36

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

Mentor wrote:

I wouldn't bother trying to get real pupil practice to pass the part 3. Real world tuition is unlikely to help you and may even be a distraction from what is really important. What you need is a good part 3 trainer who can show you the techniques for passing the test, which is no more than a role play game.  By all means get a part 3 buddy to practice with and cover the core competencies until you know them backwards. Understanding what the Part 3 is all about and what the SE is expecting from you is far more important than any real world experience you might gain.

What a damning statement to describe the qualifying requirements for our 'profession'.   (That's not a criticism of you mentor, because your comments are 100% accurate).

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#8 21-04-12 08:37:16

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

I passed 1st time without a trainee licence or real pupils. I had a training buddy and we practiced and practiced taking turns role playing. Totally unrealistic but effective.
The part 3 was then no different to what i had been doing for all those months leading up to it which was a real plus.
The negative side was that when i passed and took on real pupils it was a bit of a shock but soon settled.
Everyone on here will have pros and cons for their choice in preparing for part 3, but looking back i feel that i did the right thing not choosing a trainee licence with regards to my own style of learning. However if i had failed two attempts i would have then decided a trainee licence to see if that method would have served me more effectively.

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#9 21-04-12 08:49:50

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

martin1970 wrote:

Hi, Just starting my part 3 so still a while off before I think about a Trainee Licence and Test. My question is is it legal to be able to fit dual controls , get correct insurance (this next bit is my main Q) and instruct but do not charge?
I'm just thinking ahead being able to have a student or 2 to be able to get the hours of practise in (prior to  part 3 test) and not be intrested in the self employment aspect as all costs will be my responsibility. So as I wont be charging or earning any money I wont need to be registered as self employed. Obviously my main incentive is to get the tuition practise in whilst helping out one or two students by giving them free lessons.

Constructive thoughts and comments please..

Hi Martin,

When I was a PDI I got Driving Instructor insurance before i passed part 2 duals fitted so i'm sure you wont have any difficulty getting insurance.

Best of luck with your training,

Martin

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#10 22-04-12 12:01:45

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

Thanks for this,

At the moment going through the books and DVD's prior to my actual practicl lessons start withmy instructor, so have still got a while to decide on what road to go down.

Cheers

Martin


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Part 2 Passed 26/03/2012 - 3 minors  smile
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#11 22-04-12 12:14:14

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

Mentor wrote:

I wouldn't bother trying to get real pupil practice to pass the part 3. Real world tuition is unlikely to help you and may even be a distraction from what is really important. What you need is a good part 3 trainer who can show you the techniques for passing the test, which is no more than a role play game.  By all means get a part 3 buddy to practice with and cover the core competencies until you know them backwards. Understanding what the Part 3 is all about and what the SE is expecting from you is far more important than any real world experience you might gain.

So what happens when the instructor takes on real pupils, this is just as bad as ADI's teaching pupils to just pass the test. I come across this PST based training on a regular basis when dealing with check test problems and the ADI deals with the check test as a part 3 pst, because they have not been trained for the real world.


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Can I suggest that real world tuition will help you as long as you teach the way you should in the real world............................ incredibly simple really.

If you don't teach the way you should then your real world tuition won't ............................... also simple.


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#13 22-04-12 16:05:49

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Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

Terrier wrote:
Mentor wrote:

I wouldn't bother trying to get real pupil practice to pass the part 3. Real world tuition is unlikely to help you and may even be a distraction from what is really important. What you need is a good part 3 trainer who can show you the techniques for passing the test, which is no more than a role play game.  By all means get a part 3 buddy to practice with and cover the core competencies until you know them backwards. Understanding what the Part 3 is all about and what the SE is expecting from you is far more important than any real world experience you might gain.

So what happens when the instructor takes on real pupils, this is just as bad as ADI's teaching pupils to just pass the test. I come across this PST based training on a regular basis when dealing with check test problems and the ADI deals with the check test as a part 3 pst, because they have not been trained for the real world.

When you consider the appalling part 3 pass rates and the number of pdi's who despite being able to get good pass rates still fail the part 3 test it becomes apparent where the priority has to be.
Once you have passed the part 3 is when you start the learning process of becoming an instructor. A process which should continue thereafter.

In an ideal world it would be so different and we would not be training people just to pass tests, but our clients have only 1 goal and that is to pass as cheaply as possible. I wish it were not so but it is.

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#14 22-04-12 19:58:26

Cliff
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Registered: 20-12-11
Posts: 44

Re: Trainee Licence or Not?

on board training wrote:

Can I suggest that real world tuition will help you as long as you teach the way you should in the real world............................ incredibly simple really.

If you don't teach the way you should then your real world tuition won't ............................... also simple.


Well said

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