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#1 21-03-12 19:53:44

pegasus
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From: north west
Registered: 25-02-05
Posts: 3,303

Manouevring area changes

Hi
Don't know if this has been reported elsewhere on the board.

http://www.msagb.com/asp/detail.asp?url … sp&ref=615

Narrower area means less offset from start position to finish but shorter length means that any vehicle/trailer combination over 13mtrs will no longer have a total of 5  train lengths available.

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#2 22-03-12 08:42:38

(ROG)
Verified Member
From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Manouevring area changes

pegasus wrote:

Hi
Don't know if this has been reported elsewhere on the board.

http://www.msagb.com/asp/detail.asp?url … sp&ref=615

Narrower area means less offset from start position to finish but shorter length means that any vehicle/trailer combination over 13mtrs will no longer have a total of 5  train lengths available.

Changing to the new area at LEICSTER LGV on Mon 26 March 2012

2 vehicle lengths from start line to B cone
2 vehicle lengths from B cone to A cones
Width 11 metres for all

The only prob could be artic because many a time there can be too acute a trailer angle when going round the B cone and the new set up will not allow for recovery room therefore a shunt will be needed


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Leicester group of advanced motorists
LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008

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#3 22-03-12 20:31:35

trunkmonkey
Member
Registered: 05-03-09
Posts: 747

Re: Manouevring area changes

(ROG) wrote:
pegasus wrote:

Hi
Don't know if this has been reported elsewhere on the board.

http://www.msagb.com/asp/detail.asp?url … sp&ref=615

Narrower area means less offset from start position to finish but shorter length means that any vehicle/trailer combination over 13mtrs will no longer have a total of 5  train lengths available.

Changing to the new area at LEICSTER LGV on Mon 26 March 2012

2 vehicle lengths from start line to B cone
2 vehicle lengths from B cone to A cones
Width 11 metres for all

The only prob could be artic because many a time there can be too acute a trailer angle when going round the B cone and the new set up will not allow for recovery room therefore a shunt will be needed

I've got the DSA Template for the new reduced area. I'll see if I can copy and paste it onto here tomorrow (it's at work).

The second page gives all the likely measurements but states you must not measure from Z (baseline) to B.  I don't know why.

It gives the measurement of Z to A1 as 3.5 times the vehicle length - which works out differently to Leicester.  B to A is 2 vehicle length. This only leaves 1.5 times the length for B into the bay. That doesn't leave much room for recovery.

It's been reduced as the DSA want more 'managed sites' but getting land to put down the old measurements was difficult. They're wanting to run tests from the managed sites which could mean the closure of a TC.

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#4 22-03-12 21:28:14

c-way
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From: Peterborough
Registered: 03-10-06
Posts: 1,170
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Re: Manouevring area changes

I am going to be taking the new shorter course on my CAT C test - tried it in practice and it was fine - will be trying it with the B+E over the weekend, yes less room for error but still got the shunts available if required.  We have gone from 5 times the length of the outfit to 4 times for the B+E and 3.5 times for the rigid, the distance between the start cones and the upright behind has not changed (twice the length of the outfit)  As most clients taking the test will not have tried the long course, teaching them on the short course will be normal to them.  Always a new challenge  tongue


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#5 28-03-12 22:06:23

Philly Fossil
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Registered: 17-07-07
Posts: 14

Re: Manouevring area changes

Hi all,
I set the new measurements up with a pupil last week, who has done the test on the old measurements.
The feedback she gave me was its easier to do as she had less time to get lost coming across the centre
area.
This was a B+E set up.

Hope this helps a little.

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#6 29-03-12 08:49:42

(ROG)
Verified Member
From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Manouevring area changes

c-way wrote:

I am going to be taking the new shorter course on my CAT C test - tried it in practice and it was fine - will be trying it with the B+E over the weekend, yes less room for error but still got the shunts available if required.  We have gone from 5 times the length of the outfit to 4 times for the B+E and 3.5 times for the rigid, the distance between the start cones and the upright behind has not changed (twice the length of the outfit)  As most clients taking the test will not have tried the long course, teaching them on the short course will be normal to them.  Always a new challenge  tongue

Thats the same as leicester - I missed the 3.5 for the rigids on my other post


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Leicester group of advanced motorists
LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008

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