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#1 27-02-12 21:07:27

finch
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Training Fees

In this climate as a Fleet Trainer what is the minimum you accept for a days work with reasonable travel. The reason I ask is am doing some pricings for a UK contract (which is all but agreed) and I need to get costings right. I know for example Driver Skills offer £120 for a full day plus some mileage which I think is low but am trying to be fair and accurate ,any views welcome. Please note am hoping to be offering more than their figure but need to be competitive.

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#2 28-02-12 08:21:58

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Re: Training Fees

I'm currently charging £30 per hour based on a half day £25 for a full day so £120 to £200 I think that's fair but Ocado pay £150 per day for training plus mileage.


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#3 28-02-12 16:10:31

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Re: Training Fees

£200 per day sounds about right

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#4 28-02-12 22:09:32

android
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Re: Training Fees

Unbelievable.

Looks like the Fleet instructors don't value their qualification, registration or experience. So instead of dragging ourselves out of the slime that is a result of second career pension top up, start-up ADIs undercharging and amateur business ADIs. We end up creating the same situation for ourselves. Fleet risk assessment and training is specialist work, business to business, we have jumped through more hoops than pinks and greens....value yourselves.

If you are any good then you should easily be able to make the case for £300/day.


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#5 29-02-12 12:07:15

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Re: Training Fees

Normally, the "contracted" provider of the Fleet Training charges up to £350 per day to the customer. However, if you (as a fleet trained ADI) are contracted by one of the major providers to conduct the training, it is highly unlikely that you will even make £200 per day, let alone £300.


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#6 29-02-12 17:31:26

finch
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Sorry android I think  you are way off the mark. We have all but completed a deal with the company at a real price that will benefit all parties including us, needing to take on some other trainers to help.Good luck to you if you can get £300.oo a day but most of us live in the real world not Dads army world.

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#7 29-02-12 22:16:58

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Have to agree with Android with this one, i made reference in another thread to the fleet badge and that it is slowly becoming worthless. It is without doubt IF done correctly "specialist work" and for that its rates should be reflected.


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#8 02-03-12 23:13:13

android
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Re: Training Fees

OK, sorry finch, I realise now I misinterpreted your OP and whodareswins shone the light on it.

Still, my sentiment remains. As a supplier of fleet training services you are undervaluing the skills, qualification, experience of the people you use to fulfill your contracts. An ADI on a pink or green ticket can achieve £120 - £168 on just 3 lessons a day.

You say "...benefit all parties..."   ?

I can see why some say the ticket isn't worth anything because suppliers are failing to sell it in at a cost that truly would value all involved. Maybe you sell it in at good money but the decision is yours to undervalue the ticket?

I suppose one might suggest that if you want to make the right money then you should secure your own contracts. It would be hard to argue with that.


Confucius say, "Opinion, like old man's dribble - Once out of mouth, no use to anyone."

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#9 03-03-12 21:06:18

finch
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Sorry Android could you please explain how a ADI can earn £120/£168 doing 3 lessons in day, when I quoted Driver Skills it was an example, we hope to offer nearer £200 a day. As for Fleet Trainers being specialists I agree with that but there is one hell off a lot that like yourself who are newly qualfied( last October I believe) and do not have a clue. On one of your own posts you thought a Fleet Check test included a one hour presentation so good luck with your further training and experience. And in this climate I do not think many Fleet Trainers are earning near to your £300 a day good luck if you are.

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#10 04-03-12 01:48:12

android
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Re: Training Fees

Happy to elucidate finch.

A lesson in the ADI world is 2 hrs.  2 x £20/hr = £40 x 3  = £120
                                                   2 x £28/hr = £56 x 3 = £168     

These two examples are realistic figures depending on region and 3 lessons is not a difficult day. We live in the middle of Norfolk so there can be a bit of driving between lessons, townies could manage a 4th lesson.

"...not Dads army world."  Wrong service, the insult you were looking for was 'Get some In'.  tongue

"...and do not have a clue."  This comment is surprisingly caustic.
I am new to fleet training but I'm no puppy and I do understand the commercial world.

"I was under the impression; getting snippets of information from here and there, that the presentation should be something short of an hour, certainly no longer."  This is what I said and as you can see I didn't tell anyone anything. I was researching and some other source had suggested it. I was canny enough to find out. I also fail to see how anyone's knowledge of the format of a CT has any bearing on anything at all.

"...so good luck with your further training and experience."  This sounds disingenuous. Shame really, as you were one of the members here that offered me advice, for which I thanked you sincerely.

Your OP - "...any views welcome."   Any views as long as they are in line with your thinking.

Whilst my comments on the undervaluing of the ticket may be contrary to your own, I do feel that my last remark - suggesting fleet trainers should try getting their own contracts if they are not happy with sub-contractor rates - adds balance.

That said, I don't wish to mitigate my last post as I believe it makes my point respectfully enough. May I suggest you swap the open-toe footwear for something with a stout toe-cap. smile


Confucius say, "Opinion, like old man's dribble - Once out of mouth, no use to anyone."

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#11 05-03-12 21:17:07

ralge
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Re: Training Fees

android wrote:

Unbelievable.

Looks like the Fleet instructors don't value their qualification, registration or experience. So instead of dragging ourselves out of the slime that is a result of second career pension top up, start-up ADIs undercharging and amateur business ADIs. We end up creating the same situation for ourselves. Fleet risk assessment and training is specialist work, business to business, we have jumped through more hoops than pinks and greens....value yourselves.

If you are any good then you should easily be able to make the case for £300/day.


But, when a good number of very experienced fleet trainers are working for the national biggies for 120 and 130 per day, the bulk of fleet trainers are undervaluing the ticket, not just contributors on here. .
Most, I guess, take the easy route to getting work (a diary filled by someone else) and are too easily put off marketing themselves b2b.


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#12 21-03-12 14:49:43

littlelegs
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Re: Training Fees

Hi.

to throw my two pennies worth in, for what its worth. we dont exactly deliver the normal standard Fleet training, we mainly deliver Blue Light Emergency Response Training.

We charge £300+vat per day (our courses are 5 or 6 days long) and we pay our freelance trainers £150 per day + 26ppm for every mile they travel, so our trainers know they are getting at least 5 or 6 days work straight through.

hope this may help


Roadcraft Driver Training Limited
Specialist in providing driver training to the emergency services
ROADA Examiner - Police Driving Instructor
www.bluelightdrivertraining.com

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#13 21-03-12 16:53:19

finch
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Re: Training Fees

Thanks all for comments we are still in discussion (but close to a deal) looks like we will be offering £200 a day with minimal travel and min of two days work. I know some might think this a under valued price but I think in the climate its a fair price.Might need trainers in Glasgow, Southampton, Barry and Plymouth CVs welcome but nothing concrete at the moment.

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