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#1 21-06-11 16:36:28

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Check Test - Any Hints?

I am going to do a role play at my next one and thought I might go for MSM and a manouevre. Has anyone done this or does anyone have any hints?

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#2 21-06-11 17:11:40

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hi Hilary,

What did do for your last check test, what grade did you get and what feedback.

How have you developed since then?

Cheers,
    Brian

#3 21-06-11 17:19:14

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

4.
Has anybody done this one lately?

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#4 21-06-11 17:25:02

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Just out of interest Brian, what grade are you?

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#5 21-06-11 19:17:03

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hilary,

Just do what you'd do on a normal lesson, a bit more difficult on role play, but just identify and correct all faults and make sure you explain why they are a fault

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#6 21-06-11 19:45:30

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Thanks, Franks. That's pretty much what the DTAM said at a meeting recenlty. I intend to do just that - a normal lesson, although it's a bit strange knowing that the person is only role playing. Indeed, I'm beginning to wonder if it mightn't be better to do an FLH instead - at least the DTAM would be nearer to his natural performance.

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#7 21-06-11 20:07:50

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hi Hilary,

What did do for your last check test, what grade did you get and what feedback.

How have you developed since then?

Cheers,
    Brian

Hilary only wanted some tips not an inquisition

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#8 21-06-11 20:50:21

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

All my check tests have been role play; I would not go for anything else.

I was once told, the Examiner only has a set amount of faults to make, a pupil has an infinite amount to make.

So! Role play for me every time, ADI or Fleet, but I dont think a manouvre is a good idea (IMHO)

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#9 21-06-11 21:07:27

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

I agree with EKAL, same for me. You simple take the examiner through his paces nothing omitted. Give correct balance positive-negative don't slag off and give handouts. I had a little folder ready for mine With RoSPA print out (mine was disqualified driver. Wow, June 2008 how the time flies.)


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#10 21-06-11 21:34:13

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

on board training wrote:

Hi Hilary,

What did do for your last check test, what grade did you get and what feedback.

How have you developed since then?

Cheers,
    Brian

Hilary only wanted some tips not an inquisition

Hi Bannerman,

I think you should leave that to Hilary to question - surely to get the best advice it is better to disclose where you are at and what you have done to be there - better still also where you want to be.

Let the 'inquisition continue bannerman' - would you help your student learn without any indication of where they are beforehand? Surely it helps you pitch an appropriate level of instruction?

Brian


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#11 21-06-11 21:49:11

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hilary,

Just do what you'd do on a normal lesson, a bit more difficult on role play, but just identify and correct all faults and make sure you explain why they are a fault

All the best

Hi,

The danger of just explaining why they are a fault can at times simply come across as more of an emphasis of the fault itself i.e. the identification - good key words to think about are benefits and consequences and quite rightly get a good balance of what is correct in what the person does too.

Think about the following in relation to what is done correct and also the faults:
identification of what has been done (correct and also faults)
Establish why ie is it knowledge base, skills base or belief/attitude or responsibility based - (Blooms domains of learning - cognitive, psychomotor, affective domains)

analyse - cover benefits and consequences

(input at correct level of instruction/coaching)

Remedy faults and if done correct get affirmation of it being correct (for the right reasons)

Re roleplay - if you are used to doing full licence holder training then this is the way I would go for the roleplay too as may be easier to deal with examiner as full licence holder.

Just my input - Brian


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#12 21-06-11 21:51:50

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Good Q & A as an examiner would say is the key to a good lesson.

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#13 21-06-11 22:09:35

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

I'm so glad you asked this Hiliary, I'm about to do a roleplay check test. I was considering MSM and manouvre or extended retest pupil.

My first check test 2006 was roleplay and went really well.
My second check test 2009 was pupil and I fell to bits!

I like roleplay, I like to look the examiner in the eye and pretend they are a pupil and just nail every fault they can chuck at me. I hate it when they are in the back of the car watching, I get so un-nerved I can't conduct my lesson as per normal. Whereas in a roleplay I find it easier to be like I am normally.

I'm tempted to opt for 'extended retest' pupil, do a 10 minute assessment of them, chat about issues then spend the rest of the lesson remedying any problems. Job done.

I'm nervously excited about it weirdly.... bring on 8th August!

I don't see why you shouldn't do MSM and manouvre, people always say stuff like 'the examiners get bored of it' but it's on the list of options and if you want to why not? I did MSM and Turn in Road on my first roleplay check test and I quite enjoyed it.


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#14 22-06-11 06:59:58

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

I went for FLH roleplay. As others have said already, the examiner ain't going to break the law or your car (unlike a Learner) so is much easier to keep an eye on.


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#15 22-06-11 07:09:16

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Let the 'inquisition continue bannerman' - would you help your student learn without any indication of where they are beforehand? Surely it helps you pitch an appropriate level of instruction?

I don't think Hilary is a 'student' needing to learn.  As I read it she was merely asking for some tips on the topic she intended covering.  You don't need to know what the history is for that.

Sorry I can't give you any help Hilary, I detest role play and would never do one.

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#16 22-06-11 08:03:11

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

on board training wrote:

Hi Hilary,

What did do for your last check test, what grade did you get and what feedback.

How have you developed since then?

Cheers,
    Brian

Hilary only wanted some tips not an inquisition


;-) She did indeed. Thank you all for your comments so far.

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#17 22-06-11 09:07:39

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hi,

Must just be me but my understanding is - we are all students needing to learn - it is whether some are open to learning or even want to learn wink

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#18 22-06-11 09:18:11

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hi,

Must just be me but my understanding is - we are all students needing to learn - it is whether some are open to learning or even want to learn wink

Brian

I think some people need to learn to listen to the question posed.

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#19 22-06-11 09:32:41

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

I am going to do a role play at my next one and thought I might go for MSM and a manouevre. Has anyone done this or does anyone have any hints?

Thank you

Hilary.

Hi,

Having re-read the question, no I haven't done MSM and a manoeuvre but I have now done role play twice for my check tests. In relation to suitable suggestions or hints I would normally ask for more background information to establish your starting point, hence my initial response.

Cheers,
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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

The problem is Brian, the DTAM is going to be setting the scene, so I can't really give you any more to go on. What I might do is go for the FLH as I think I might be more comfortable with him assuming a role which is a truer reflection of who he is.

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#21 22-06-11 11:48:40

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Good Luck whatever you decide

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#22 22-06-11 11:54:50

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Thank you. A little good luck is never a bad thing...

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#23 23-06-11 19:45:42

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

I am in the fortunate position of gaining a grade 6 in both role play and with a pupil, in both circumstances I have changed very little. The lesson I gave was adapted to the pupils needs, it was a little easier to plan what to teach with my pupil as the lesson simply fitted her needs which was the use of mirrors especially the offside mirror before changing direction. With the examiner I had a route plan in mind, assessed their needs very quickly and gave them a lesson on what they needed, it was fleet but it was still role play and I gained straight sixes in every category.
So to conclude Hilary fit your lesson to their needs in role play that does not take too long to find out. Give a great lesson and good luck.


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#24 24-06-11 08:39:29

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Thanks again, folks - I'm going to go to the golf driving range to bash 50 full swings to get my head in order
as prep' on the day ;-)

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#25 24-06-11 08:56:30

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Re: Check Test - Any Hints?

Hi Hilary,

That's about right - then for each shot - identify, analyse and remedy or if a good shot identify, analyse and underpin or affirm it being done well by doing it again.

Cheers, Brian

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