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#1 14-04-11 20:53:48

chevronjohn
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Turning Right at roundabout

The story so far - Dual carriageway leading to a roundabout with 3 lanes on approach.
Sign clearly states that both middle and right hand lane for turning right(middle for straight on also).

Question is - if middle lane is selected then is a right indication required??

Reason is - new senior examiner at my local centre is saying YES :? :?, which is the opposite to what everyone else thinks.
All reasonable thoughts welcome


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#2 14-04-11 21:07:43

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

I would say.... yes. Lane is multiple choice, make it clear which way you are going to avoid confusing traffic entering roundabout.

However other variables could play a factor. Is the roundabout traffic light controlled?

A missing indication is generally worse than an extra indication.


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#3 14-04-11 21:09:27

Evan
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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

I would say yes  as you are informing vehicles approaching from the other direction of your intention. Similar situation on roundabout locally and right signal is always expected of candidates.

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#4 14-04-11 22:57:40

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

I would signal right.  The lane can be used for going ahead and taking the exit off to the right.  Traffic approaching the roundabout can see that you are passing the exit for the road ahead, reducing the risk of someone emerging into your path.  (Some drivers may interpret 'no signal' as going ahead)   

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#5 15-04-11 09:06:05

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

Doesn't the answer depend on the situation? Merely stating a right signal is required at a three lane roundabout when in the middle lane is misleading.

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#6 15-04-11 09:48:40

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

A car in the centre lane with a right indicator on could be looking to change lanes to lane 3. Misleading I say!

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#7 15-04-11 18:09:38

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

Yes but isn't it more misleading to turn right without a signal. At least others will know that you intend to move to the right. I would signal everytime

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#8 15-04-11 20:08:53

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

A car in the centre lane with a right indicator on could be looking to change lanes to lane 3. Misleading I say!

Guess it's a case of choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

Indicate right and it could look like a lane change.
Don't indicate and traffic may pull on in front of you as they believe you are going ahead.

I can think of one 'similar' scenario which resulted in a pupil fail : 2 lanes at a junction, 1st lane goes ahead and right, 2nd lane turns right - pupil chooses 1st lane to turn right but doesn't indicate.... failed as the examiner argued he looked like he was going ahead.


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#9 15-04-11 22:13:22

Evan
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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

A car in the centre lane with a right indicator on could be looking to change lanes to lane 3. Misleading I say!

A car with no indicator on in a lane which can go ahead and right is very misleading, which is exactly the problem on the roads with people not indicating.

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#10 17-04-11 21:13:23

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

If a lane can be used for a choice of exits would it be better to put the signal on just before the point where the lane splits?
This would avoid an early but possible mislading signal.

One roundabout near me I teach as stated a couple of posts above. Never been a problem on test and never mentioned in debriefing.
As a roundabout spirals out to the left, do you leave your right indicator on?

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#11 18-04-11 18:39:48

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

My apologies I missed 1 vital factor :? :? - the roundabout is light controlled so the misleading for traffic coming on does not apply


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#12 23-04-11 17:50:18

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

A car in the centre lane with a right indicator on could be looking to change lanes to lane 3. Misleading I say!

What a load of Bo****ks, a right signal in lane 2 of a 3 or more lane roundabout is NOT misleading and would not be seen as a lane change signal.  If the signal was applied too early prior to joining the roundabout it is more likely to be viewed as a lane change signal and would be misleading.


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#13 23-04-11 20:23:21

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

Cor! Can I join in with the insults?

If you think a right signal in lane 2 of a 3+ lane roundabout couldn't imply a lane change then you're out of your mind, and any ADI showing a right signal in lane 2 of many, if not the vast majority of, 3+ lane roundabouts for approximately 270 degrees understands neither lane discipline nor the purpose of signals.

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#14 23-04-11 20:35:23

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

There is a five lane 6 exit roundabout near us, that is used extensively on driving tests as it no more than 0.75 miles from test centre.  In one direction it has 3 approach lanes splitting into 5 lanes on the roundabout.  Lane 1 goes first exit only, lane 2 goes first exit, second exit, third exit, fourth exit and fifth exit, all from lanes 2 and 3 on the roundabout.  Approach lane 3 splits to lanes 4 & 5 on the roundabout and goes fifth exit or full circle sixth exit.  Are you seriously suggesting it would be inappropriate to signal EXACTLY what your intentions are whilst on the roundabout?  The slightest deviation from lane discipline will usually result in a serious offence on driving test, as would failure to signal.  There is a very good reason for this.  Most drivers on the road have yet to develop the ability to mind read, but most are quite capable of signal reading.


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#15 24-04-11 07:50:24

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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

... a right signal in lane 2 of a 3 or more lane roundabout is NOT misleading and would not be seen as a lane change signal.  If the signal was applied too early prior to joining the roundabout it is more likely to be viewed as a lane change signal and would be misleading.

I agree - I would only be concerned if the vehicle made a move towards the lane line on the right but many do that through laziness!!


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#16 24-04-11 16:29:07

Evan
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Re: Turning Right at roundabout

Your duty as a driver is to inform following and oncoming traffic of your intention as to what your intention is at a junction. Following traffic can read the same road markings as you, however traffic approaching the junction cannot see where traffic can go so need to be informed. The position of the car followed by the signal informs  both forward and following traffic of your intention. The following traffic ''should'' realize that your lane allows you to go right or straight ahead, at the very worst following traffic will have to slow down due to worry of crossing into their lane, if you don't signal traffic emerging could pull out in front of you, the latter is by far the more dangerous.

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