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#1 07-04-11 11:25:53

CLAIRE1990
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Signals at roundabouts?

I've had 2 driving instructors over the last 6 months but I've received conflicting advice.

When I'm approaching a roundabout in the left lane to follow the road ahead (1st exit) do I have to give a left signal on approach to the roundabout?

My first instructor told me that I should definitely give a signal but my current instructor tells me that I don't need to signal.

I'm very confused.  :?

Can you help?

Thanks
Claire

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#2 07-04-11 20:52:12

Evan
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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Hi Claire, you should indicate left to inform your intention to leave the roundabout' to both road users ahead and behind you. I personally teach pupils to check inside and left mirror then signal left before exiting the roundabout. I know other instructors who tell their pupils to indicate left on approach to the roundabout. Both will be ok and will not mislead other road users.

If you think about what you are intending to inform with your indications, it becomes evident what is informative and what is misleading. Also try to think about how you would interpret your signal if you were the driver of  the car behind or the car approaching the roundabout. It  is worth having a good read of the highway code as much of the confusion regarding roundabouts and other junctions and how to signal are outlined in there. Ev

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#3 08-04-11 06:22:07

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

In a case where a MINI roundabout has one exit straight on and one exit to the right then a left signal to an approaching vehicle coming from your straight on exit may keep them moving and they will block the anything coming from the right exit as you enter - you are using them as a blocker

In this case both drivers are helped by your left signal


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#4 08-04-11 06:54:27

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

In a case where a MINI roundabout has one exit straight on and one exit to the right then a left signal to an approaching vehicle coming from your straight on exit may keep them moving and they will block the anything coming from the right exit as you enter - you are using them as a blocker

In this case both drivers are helped by your left signal

I teach this, and when pupils are aware of what's happening and others do this for us, it's so useful smile

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#5 08-04-11 07:18:24

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

On a big roundabout, I teach left signal on approach when taking the 1st exit, when taking the second exit [striaght on }no signal on approach but signal left just after the junction prior to the one you want. To turn right, signal right on approach, approaching in the right hand lane go round the roundabout in the right hand lane, MSM and signal left just after the junction prior to the one you want.

On MINI roundabouts, I teach left signal to turn left, no signal to go straight and just a right signal to turn right. Trying to do MSM and signaling on these types of roundabout can often over complicate them for yourself and other road users.

kevin

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#6 18-04-11 08:16:18

metalmicky
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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

On a big roundabout, I teach left signal on approach when taking the 1st exit, when taking the second exit [striaght on }no signal on approach but signal left just after the junction prior to the one you want. To turn right, signal right on approach, approaching in the right hand lane go round the roundabout in the right hand lane, MSM and signal left just after the junction prior to the one you want.

On MINI roundabouts, I teach left signal to turn left, no signal to go straight and just a right signal to turn right. Trying to do MSM and signaling on these types of roundabout can often over complicate them for yourself and other road users.

kevin

This is exactly as I teach also, never had any problems with pupils on lessons or test.  Just ensure you can tell the difference between roundabouts and mini roundabouts.  Regardless of which way you prefer to approach these different types of junction, your intention is to give correct valid information to another road user and not using your indicators is also a signal.  Left for left, right for right and no signal for straight.


In a case where a MINI roundabout has one exit straight on and one exit to the right then the traffic in front of you is technically on your left and would be giving way to you as you are to their right, even though they will physically be on your righthand side as there is a road to your right between you and them.


Just because I'm a driving instructor, it doesn't make me a dual control freak. 
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#7 18-04-11 08:38:11

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Hi KJS and MM,

I think you are missing the point of the signal for a first exit ahead.

Signaling on approach confirms for an apposing driver that you are NOT turning right, and so they can continue.

Without a signal, they may well be unsure of your intentions and may be preparing as though anticipating a late right signal or a right turn without a signal from you.


General guidance for RA's is to signal left on approach for a first exit.  Irrespective of it's physical location on the RA. Mini RA's are to be treated in the same way as a normal RA according o the Guidance in HWC.

Personally I signal left for a 1st exit even if that exit is at 3 o'clock.
  It's the first exit, I can't turn left before the first exit, so the signal can usually be understood that I am not passing the first exit.

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#8 18-04-11 09:02:20

metalmicky
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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Hi kev, if you read my post properly you will see that at no point did I say do not signal left to go ahead.  You made an assumption and read what you wanted to read. 

I said,
Regardless of which way you prefer to approach these different types of junction, your intention should be to give correct valid information to another road user.


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#9 18-04-11 09:18:04

metalmicky
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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

The problem that SOME people will have when they are taught to signal left when going ahead is, that occasionally they will signal right to go ahead because there is a left turn.  Thus this could be a complicated way for some people to learn.  You will no doubt have encountered people doing exactly that at a mini roundabout.  A very incorrect signal. 
The easiest way for some people is to KEEP IT SIMPLE.  Left for left, right for right and nothing for ahead. 
Others will have no problem at all on approach and will be able to make a clear, well timed decision based on all the information available to them on approach and decide whether a left signal would be of benefit to another road user and act accordingly. 

One size does not fit all. 

MM


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#10 18-04-11 10:36:20

KevB
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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Left for left, right for right and no signal for straight.

Hi MM.

The above section of your post might lead readers to think you are saying you don't signal for ahead.

It dos not differenciate what exit number you refer to when saying "ahead".


If the first exit is ahead, then technically it is the first left, and as I said in my post, giving no signal does neither confirm nor deny your intended route to other road users.

Signaling on the approach for a 1st exit at least confirms you are not intending to pass it.  Other road users can interpret your speed and position AND a confirmation signal much better than speed and position alone.

I prefer to differenciate 1st exit rather than compass direction when considering a left signal on approach to an RA.

I am not saying that those that advocate not signaling for a 1st exit, ahead are wrong.

But I do believe signaling for a 1st exit does give more information for other road users to base their decisions on. It takes some of the guesswork away.

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#11 18-04-11 10:52:37

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

1st situation
Mini or small roundabout with ahead at 12 and right at 3
Left indicator is only useful to those approaching from the 12 as it encourages them to keep going and therefore assists you by blocking anything approaching from the 3

2nd situation
Mini or small roundabout with ahead at 12 and left at 9
No signal for 12 as it could confuse those approaching from the 12 into thinking that you are possibly doing a U turn


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#12 18-04-11 10:57:45

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Agreed Rog but in situation 1 to not signal for ahead would not be incorrect either.  KevB just makes assumptions by reading part of a sentence and jumps to conclusions.


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#13 18-04-11 11:23:28

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Try reading your own posts carefully.

Then read mine.

One of us is making assumptions on what is being written here.

I'll let the readers determine which smile

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#14 18-04-11 12:31:50

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

Kev, I have read both my own posts and also yours carefully on this subject.  And at NO point did I ever say you must not signal left to go ahead at a mini roundabout.  You made that assumption all on your own because you chose to focus on part of one sentence in my post and take it out of context to try and evoke an argument to back up your own statement. 
I will not get into an argument with you over it, it really isn't worth it.  Just try reading the whole of my post with your best listening ears and pay attention to all punctuation. 

Regards MM


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#15 18-04-11 14:07:26

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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

1st situation
Mini or small roundabout with ahead at 12 and right at 3
Left indicator is only useful to those approaching from the 12 as it encourages them to keep going and therefore assists you by blocking anything approaching from the 3

2nd situation
Mini or small roundabout with ahead at 12 and left at 9
No signal for 12 as it could confuse those approaching from the 12 into thinking that you are possibly doing a U turn

Agreed Rog but in situation 1 to not signal for ahead would not be incorrect either.

Agreed - signalling just gives an advantage to both drivers in a particular situation
On a DSA test it would not matter if signalling was done or not in that situation


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#16 29-05-11 06:53:56

Barry500
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Re: Signals at roundabouts?

I think signal on approach for first exit as it can help others and does not mislead.

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