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#1 01-06-10 13:00:06

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Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

Hi,
I'm currently preparing for a motorcycle test being a car driver of many, many years.  Out on a recent lesson, I was approaching a junction with a green filter light to the left.  I was in the lane that was turning left and there was a left, painted arrow on the road in front of the junction. The green filter arrow was on and I went round to the left, not changing lanes, but without signalling.  After the ride, my instructor pulled me up on the fact that I did not signal. I've looked up the highway code and the only mention (I can find) is;

Rule 177
Green filter arrow. This indicates a filter lane only. Do not enter that lane unless you want to go in the direction of the arrow. You may proceed in the direction of the green arrow when it, or the full green light shows. Give other traffic, especially cyclists, time and room to move into the correct lane.

There is no mention of needing to signal and my view is that because I was in a lane that had to turn left, I was showing clear intention to all other road users and so did not need to signal. My question is this; do I need to signal or not?

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#2 01-06-10 13:26:27

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

Generally not, but...

Signal if you think other road users may benefit from it...Most likely scenario is if cars are queued on top of the road markings.  Pedestrians, who maybe wouldn't be looking at road markings may also benefit.

Do cars on the opposite side of the lights who are intending to turn to their right i.e. the same road as you know that the lane is LT only, they may be expecting cars to be continue straight on.

I would teach that if you are 1st car/bike, or last car/bike in the queue then signal to those in front and behind.

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#3 06-12-10 13:53:48

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

I always think that if you think that people filtering in should be signalling or that would help you as a driver to see that, then you should be doing it yourself. If you think that it is pointless and wouldnt help you or any driver to see the signal, then it is not nessecary

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#4 06-12-10 13:57:37

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

Do cars on the opposite side of the lights who are intending to turn to their right i.e. the same road as you know that the lane is LT only, they may be expecting cars to be continue straight on

If it's a left filter light their light will be on red anyway

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#5 06-12-10 18:27:28

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

Do cars on the opposite side of the lights who are intending to turn to their right i.e. the same road as you know that the lane is LT only, they may be expecting cars to be continue straight on

If it's a left filter light their light will be on red anyway

Will they know that it is a left filter?  probably not.

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#6 06-12-10 18:38:28

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

Will they know that it is a left filter?  probably not

If the opposite traffic is moving, and your light is at red, it's obvious there is a filter.

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#7 26-12-10 13:18:09

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

You should always put a signal on when your turning dosent metter if there is a filter lane or not,............ to much talk on here about other drivers what about the pedestrian you should never think every one around you,.......... knows where your going with a signal they will


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#8 26-12-10 13:35:23

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

I think if pedestrians are present, they would need to know your intention via a signal. Otherwise, I would suggest not ( assuming you can see into the junction well enough to assess that). On a car test, I always suggest  a short commentary at such places so that the examiner knows you are  thinking the problem through.. Not sure whether this is possible on a bike test, although I'm assuming it is.
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#9 26-12-10 15:13:01

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

My thought is 'what's obvious to me isn't necessarily obvious to everyone else' (especially pedestrians, who may take no signal as a sign that your going ahead). Filter lanes controlled by traffic lights are usually busy areas, so for simplicity's sake I would advise a signal for a learner candidate.

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#10 26-12-10 16:10:52

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

Bear in mind that the general advice for bikes might be different to that for car drivers.

Bikes tend to weave in and out of traffic and a signal might be more meaningful to other road users than it would be if a car did it. It's quite likely/possible that a bike would be in or near the filter lane and still want to go ahead, so it could confuse cars behind.

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#11 26-12-10 16:46:38

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Re: Filter Lane - do you need to signal?

My thought is 'what's obvious to me isn't necessarily obvious to everyone else' (especially pedestrians, who may take no signal as a sign that your going ahead). Filter lanes controlled by traffic lights are usually busy areas, so for simplicity's sake I would advise a signal for a learner candidate.

I have found that simplicity might not encourage learner drivers to switch on their brains. It's a bit like with independent driving - do you want to educate learners to rely on your directions only or actually become more aware of what they are doing?
Not everything is black & white only and where in most cases a signal would be perfectly fine, in some it could cause confusion. Therefore I teach my pupils not to signal if they have a filter unless someone would benefit. Same with moving off and pulling up. A good instructor always should explain the difference between regulation and common sense / conflict with other traffic.
The motobike instructor who told the student off for not signalling in a filter was wrong, because not signalling in a filter where other road users don't benefit, wouldn't be marked down as an error on test. And if there was anyone to benefit, then the instructor has failed to explain this to the student.

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