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#1 08-11-10 20:00:58

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Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

This could be FUN!!

http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2 … g-test.htm

People trying to obtain an HGV licence will perform the braking exercise on-road rather than off-road from 1 January 2011

The change is also applicable to people taking bus, coach and car-and-trailer tests.


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#2 08-11-10 21:16:09

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

Yes Rog I have to agree, could be really fun wink  Will miss mine doing the braking exercise in the test centre and shaking the portacabin which is right next to it and hearing it come to a shuddering stop!   Bit concerned about the wording though, that they are going to do it just before the angle start - does that mean that the candidate has to stop just short of a parked car yikes  hope I am just being blonde wink


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#3 08-11-10 22:02:14

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

Yes Rog I have to agree, could be really fun wink  Will miss mine doing the braking exercise in the test centre and shaking the portacabin which is right next to it and hearing it come to a shuddering stop!   Bit concerned about the wording though, that they are going to do it just before the angle start - does that mean that the candidate has to stop just short of a parked car yikes  hope I am just being blonde wink

That's what it says lol - i'm sure that part of the statement will be "adjusted" to suit the real world


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#4 08-11-10 22:09:54

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

I am at the LGV TC tomorrow for 2 tests so might ask the examiners how it it's going to work wink but can they rely upon a naturally placed parked car to use?  or will there be a stooge car!  smile


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#5 08-11-10 22:27:12

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

if they are going to stop behind a car and move off at an angle like the car test, its not going to test the drivers control like the TC  stop, as far as i remember, the TC stop is more of an emergency stop?, this cannot be done safely out in the real world, the EX could not ensure there is no one behind.

SO!! reading between the lines, no more controlled/emergency stop for LGV etc?

I have been driving LGV class1 & 2 for 25 years, I know I can stop exactly where I want, but can a novice LGV driver under the pressure of test conditions stop "just" before a car?

I think the main braking excercise should still be done off road and maybe have the gear changing excercise (6-1) to a halt behind car prior to moving off at an angle?

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#6 09-11-10 09:22:04

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

I cannot agree that this will improve road safety at all.

I await the first few rear end shunts caused by tailgaters not being seen by either the driver or examiner.

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#7 09-11-10 15:20:27

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

The general perception seems to be that the braking ex. as we know it will no longer exist in any form.
It will be replaced by normal stops on the road - so therefore it would appear, as usual, the story hasn't been written in a way that actually says what it means  roll  roll


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#8 09-11-10 21:35:33

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

After today I have to agree with above, there does not seem to be the same "controlled stop exercise" as we know it at 20 mph and as though in an emergency. I did speak to a lgv examiner today and he shared my concerns in the wording but we need to wait for clarification before we know what will be required, we wait and see  neutral


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#9 13-11-10 21:59:50

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

I too was concerned when I read about it.  The car test now has a controlled stop in it. I have sat in on two car tests recently and what has happened with them both is that were asked to pull up at a particular spot at short notice.  It was really like a normal stop, but with very little advance warning and caused no problems for either candidates.  I will certainly still be teaching the controlled stop to PCV/LGV drivers though.


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#10 09-12-10 19:11:58

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

Spoke to my friendly PCV Examiner today.

He said that it will become part of the 'moving off at an angle' section of the test and will be marked if appropriate under the 'moving off safely' heading.

The 'controlled stop' will therefore effectively disappear from the test. He mention nothing about pulling up at short notice, but we'll have to wait and see on that one.

It certainly won't involve stopping quickly behind a parked car!

We both agreed that the press release fell quite a bit short of being clearly worded....!

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#11 10-12-10 15:56:11

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Re: Changes to LGV/PCV/BE braking exercise

The 'controlled stop' will therefore effectively disappear from the test. He mention nothing about pulling up at short notice, but we'll have to wait and see on that one.

It certainly won't involve stopping quickly behind a parked car!

We both agreed that the press release fell quite a bit short of being clearly worded....!

That is exactly what others in the DSA have said - the controlled stop is to disapear

The examiners aint happy with this and I can see why - This test was to confirm that the candidate was capable of stopping quickly and safely before venturing onto the public highway

I fully expect it to return on safety grounds but we await to see.........


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