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#1 06-11-10 22:24:41

Freedom Phil
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Eyesight Check?

It's a legal requirement that as an ADI I can read a numberplate at 27.5m

It's a legal requirement that as an ADI I have a check test


Why isn't instructors eyesight checked on a check test??

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#2 07-11-10 00:14:12

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Re: Eyesight Check?

Youve had a check test? And got grade 6. I hope its not  legal requrement  read a plate at 27.5 metres or im well stuffed   yikes


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#3 07-11-10 06:26:16

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Re: Eyesight Check?

That was a late reply Nige!

I'm sure you'll be fine with your glasses on  wink

I suppose the wording does say 'to become a driving instructor' not 'to continue to be a driving instructor'

I had been thinking that when I did dsa/dia driving test's I got an eyesight check, and when I did iam/rospa I didn't.  But does it not make sense that if an ADI needs to read a plate at 27.5m then they should always be able to do it, and that the obvious time to check it is during a check test?


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#4 07-11-10 10:38:07

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Re: Eyesight Check?

This is an interesting point.

The instructor eyesight requirement is only mentioned in law in respect of the Test of Driving Ability, as far as I know.

There is no mention that I have found, for it to be a continual minimum requirement to continue instructing, in the same way a drivers eyesight must continue to meet the minimum legal requirement.

Afterall, a supervising driver only needs to meet the normal driver eyesight requirement to supervise.

Does anyone else know if a reference in law refers to the continuation of the instructors minimum eyesight requirement for driving instruction?

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#5 07-11-10 11:01:14

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Re: Eyesight Check?

It's a legal requirement that as an ADI I can read a numberplate at 27.5m

No it isn't.  The legal requirement is the same as for any driver. 
27.5m only applies for the part 2 test, and you still haven't reached ADI status then.
As an ordit registered trainer it's a surprise you don't know that.

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#6 07-11-10 11:49:53

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Re: Eyesight Check?

I'm aware of the rules  tongue, but if you think about it, they make no sense!

if I have to be able to read a numberplate at 27.5m to pass part 2, which I need to get to pass part 3, then part of the requirements of becoming an Adi is the eyesight test.  But shouldn't I have to continue to meet that requirement? And if that's the case, the most obvious time to check it would be as part of a check test!

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#7 07-11-10 12:17:03

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Re: Eyesight Check?

Freedom Phil wrote:

It's a legal requirement that as an ADI I can read a numberplate at 27.5m

No it isn't.  The legal requirement is the same as for any driver. 
27.5m only applies for the part 2 test, and you still haven't reached ADI status then.
As an ordit registered trainer it's a surprise you don't know that.

Why have a dig? Any real need? Question was answered tongue in cheek first post anyway. When you know it all as a driver or trainer its time to give up.


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#8 07-11-10 12:30:54

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Re: Eyesight Check?

I'm aware of the rules  , but if you think about it, they make no sense!

if I have to be able to read a numberplate at 27.5m to pass part 2, which I need to get to pass part 3, then part of the requirements of becoming an Adi is the eyesight test.  But shouldn't I have to continue to meet that requirement? And if that's the case, the most obvious time to check it would be as part of a check test!

If you are aware of the rules why did you say it's a legal requirement?

There is no legal requirement to be able to read a numberplate at 27.5m even one day after passing part two. It is a one off test as part of the qualifying process.

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#9 07-11-10 12:47:35

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Re: Eyesight Check?

To answer the original question as to why it isn't checked on a checktest,   it is a requirement to read a numberplate at the correct distance in order to qualify for a licence.  (In the case of a part 2 the ADI licence).

A checktest is not a qualifying test, it is a continuing ability test.

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#10 07-11-10 12:55:46

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Re: Eyesight Check?

As Phil has pointed out, it doesn't make sense on one hand - if you are being tested on "continuing ability" then logic would dictate that being able to see is pretty much core to being able to do it properly.

Not that it would prove much even if they did. It would be seen as a further draconian trespass into the realms of being an ADI, and I wouldn't be surprised that there'd be some people prepared not to wear glasses on purpose just to show they can't be pushed around  roll

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#11 07-11-10 13:01:35

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Re: Eyesight Check?

There are lots of rules which don't make sense.  It would  also be logical  for it to be a legal requirement for everyone  to take an eyesight test before renewing a driving licence.

But that wasn't what the original post was about.


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#12 07-11-10 13:12:17

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Re: Eyesight Check?

It's just playing on words though Roadmaster.

As Phil points out, you need to be able to see for Part 2, so technically you need to be able to see to be an ADI since you can't get Part 3 without having got Part 2 first.

Fine, it isn't retested, but if you can't see you can't ever get to be an ADI.

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#13 07-11-10 13:18:38

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Re: Eyesight Check?

An ADI needs to be able to read at least the same distance as every other driver on the road.  That's the law.

If you are now turning the question around now to 'should an ADI be tested every two/four  years to read a numberplate at 27.5m  then in my view the answer is no.

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#14 07-11-10 18:39:43

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Re: Eyesight Check?

Jeeez!

Can open, worms everywhere!


I guess some people don't have anything better to do on a Sunday  tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

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