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#1 16-09-10 17:41:37

Spezial
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LGV Register PST

Please could someone point me in the direction where I can find the list of PST for the LGV Register. big_smile

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#2 16-09-10 18:29:16

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Re: LGV Register PST

What does PST stand for ?


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#3 16-09-10 18:39:27

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Re: LGV Register PST

Pre set tests!

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#4 16-09-10 18:42:41

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#5 17-09-10 12:43:59

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Re: LGV Register PST

Pre set tests!

thanks

why do you want to do them ?


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#6 17-09-10 16:52:10

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Re: LGV Register PST

daz6215 wrote:

Pre set tests!

thanks

why do you want to do them ?



I plan to join the LGV Register, in the near future and I'd like as much possible information as I can get hold of for Part 3 of the qualifying process.  big_smile

Thanks for the link daz6215.  8-)

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#7 17-09-10 18:08:33

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Re: LGV Register PST

I plan to join the LGV Register,

Why would you wish to do that when it does not make an instructor a better instructor ?

Unlike the car ADIs - the LGV instructor process is just saying that an instructor can pass the DSA LGV tests !!

The only thing it is good for is that companies can use the term DSA instructor to try and make an impression on potential punters - so if a company wants it then let them pay for it


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#8 21-09-10 19:27:45

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Re: LGV Register PST

Spezial wrote:

I plan to join the LGV Register,

Why would you wish to do that when it does not make an instructor a better instructor ?

Unlike the car ADIs - the LGV instructor process is just saying that an instructor can pass the DSA LGV tests !!

The only thing it is good for is that companies can use the term DSA instructor to try and make an impression on potential punters - so if a company wants it then let them pay for it

ROG - not everyone has the same negative attitude towards the DSA Vol REG for LGV, it may be the case that the qualification is a requirement for future employment or even a contract.

Try this link for a complete PST set
http://www.catzeyeshaulage.co.uk/materials-page.html - I would recommend it

God luck
John


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#9 21-09-10 19:42:22

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Re: LGV Register PST

ROG - not everyone has the same negative attitude towards the DSA Vol REG for LGV, it may be the case that the qualification is a requirement for future employment or even a contract.

We will have to differ on this issue as those that state this as a requirement are obviously not in full knowledge of what it actually says about the LGV instructor

I would have a totally different viewpoint if the LGV instructor was tested or checked whilst being observered with a real pupil


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#10 21-09-10 20:23:35

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Re: LGV Register PST

:? :? :?


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#11 22-09-10 07:59:41

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Re: LGV Register PST

:? :? :?

Compare the differences between the training and check tests for car ADIs and LGV instructors - the main one is that the car examiner sits in with the instructor and a trainee to get a realistic overview of the abilities of the instructor - or have I got that wrong???

All the other aspects of parts 1, 2 & 3 are virtually the same but they just show the instructor can pass those tests

The real test of an instructor is in the ability to teach and how they teach which is the one thing that can only be determined by the instructor being observered whilst doing it

That is my view and it seems logical to me..........


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#12 22-09-10 16:33:28

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Re: LGV Register PST

But if you dont sit any qualifying exams to simply teach LGV then where is your benchmark, a colleague of mine who is an ADI recently sat his D1 test, the training was with a large LGV driver training company with a so called Instructor i.e a driver with a licence, The instructor was not Identifying, analysing or correcting the faults that was being committed by the other candidates, this is basic stuff!!! yes he could drive it! but he was not instructing to even basic DSA requirements!

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#13 22-09-10 18:33:53

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From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: LGV Register PST

But if you dont sit any qualifying exams to simply teach LGV then where is your benchmark, a colleague of mine who is an ADI recently sat his D1 test, the training was with a large LGV driver training company with a so called Instructor i.e a driver with a licence, The instructor was not Identifying, analysing or correcting the faults that was being committed by the other candidates, this is basic stuff!!! yes he could drive it! but he was not instructing to even basic DSA requirements!

I do not have any paper quals and yet I have done 2 years of LGV instructing over the past 5 years with a first time pass rate over 50%

I know of paper qualified LGV instructors with worse first time pass rates

So where is the benchmark ?
I suggest the proof of the pudding is in the eating and not on paper


IAM Observer
Leicester group of advanced motorists
LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008

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#14 23-09-10 17:25:59

daz6215
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Registered: 07-06-08
Posts: 449

Re: LGV Register PST

Well for every 1 like you Rog there is probabaly 10 thats not!

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#15 23-09-10 17:46:09

chevronjohn
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From: North West
Registered: 15-08-10
Posts: 172

Re: LGV Register PST

chevronjohn wrote:

:? :? :?

Compare the differences between the training and check tests for car ADIs and LGV instructors - the main one is that the car examiner sits in with the instructor and a trainee to get a realistic overview of the abilities of the instructor - or have I got that wrong???

All the other aspects of parts 1, 2 & 3 are virtually the same but they just show the instructor can pass those tests

The real test of an instructor is in the ability to teach and how they teach which is the one thing that can only be determined by the instructor being observered whilst doing it

That is my view and it seems logical to me..........

I am fully aware of the procedures for both ROG - as a DSA Instructor for car and LGV I have completed both within the last 9 months(and a number of times over the last 13 years).

The main reason that CHECK TESTS are not carried out for LGV is firstly that it is a Voluntary register - therefore people have a choice- do I want to show I can reach the pre determined standard or not. I'm sure as an IAM Senior Observer you have to prove your own ability to drive and assess before carrying it out on others(to a pre determined standard I would hazard to guess).

The next stumbling block is the fact that 95% of LGV vehicles do not have a third seat therefore observation during a lesson is impossible.

I apologise for taking this off subject from the original post -but I for one applaud anyone wishing to improve themselves - all the best with the tests and if you want any info don't hesitate to pm me

John








DSA ADI ,DSA LGV Instructor, PCV Instructor, IAM, always willing to learn  smile
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#16 23-09-10 18:06:13

Spezial
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Registered: 24-07-10
Posts: 5

Re: LGV Register PST

Thanks John. Thanks also for the links. big_smile

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