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#1 28-08-10 16:31:11

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Driver CPC information

This may be of use to some on here -

ALL Dcpc training counts as OTHER WORK for all the relevant regulations such as EU 561/2006 and the RT(WTD)R

The LICENCE and the Dcpc are two seperate issues
The LICENCE is required to be allowed to drive the relevant vehicle
The Dcpc is required to drive that vehicle commercially
If a driver has the licence and does not wish to drive commercially then they do not have to take any periodic training.

There are two sorts of LGV/PCV Driver CPC and neither of these has anything to do with the Operator/National CPC.

The two sorts are -
INITIAL (modules 2 & 4) which many will need along with their first LGV/PCV test in order to be allowed to drive commercially after passing their normal theory (modules 1a & 1b) and on-road (module 3) DSA tests

Those who have Dcpc in one catagory will need to do the initial for another catagory - Example = having grandfather rights for only LGV means that the initial will need to be taken for PCV.

PERIODIC which all will need to be allowed to continue driving commercially

Periodic grandfather rights are specific to each catagory
Those with a PCV licence prior to 10/09/2008 (not including D1 with a 101 restriction)
Those with a LGV licence prior to 10/09/2009 (includes those with a C1 even if gained by passing the pre 97 car test)

ALL periodic training counts for both PCV & LGV

When a driver completes all 35 hours of periodic training they get issued with a DQC (driver cpc card) and this card MUST be carried at all times when driving commercially

Those with aquired/grandfather rights are deemed to have a GHOST DQC wich expires on 09/09/2013 for PCV and 09/09/2014 for LGV

Those who have a DQC gained by passing the INITIAL Dcpc modules 2 & 4 will have a different expiry date on it.

Any extra catagory gets added to an already existing catagory expiry date on a DQC
This means that, for example, a driver who passed car test before 97 and has a C1 is deemed to have a ghost LGV expiry date of 09/09/2014 so if they then aquire their first PCV licence including the INITIAL PCV Dcpc on 04/05/2011, a DQC will be issued with expiry dates for BOTH LGV & PCV at 09/09/2014
Any PERIODIC training done before or after gaining the second catagory will count for BOTH

Those with aquired/grandfather rights for BOTH will gain one years worth of PCV perodic Dcpc from 09/09/2018 to 09/09/2019 because the authorities are levelling DQC expiry dates to make things easier
HOWEVER - be careful - if the 35 hours are not completed by 09/09/2013 then the driver cannot drive PCVs commercially until they have been completed

No matter when the 35 hours are completed within the current 5 year timeframe a DQC will be issued and expiry dated from the end of the current (or ghost) DQC expiry date

If all the 35 hours are not completed within the current 5 year timeframe then ALL the 35 hours must be done again.

The 35 hours can be done all at once or split into 7 hour sessions
7 hour sessions can be in two 3.5 hour sessions over a 24 hour period
There is no requirement to do 7 hours per year

The SAME 7 hour course can be done 5 times in order to qualify !! - I kid you not

None of the training has anything to do with improving on-road driving standards which is the main function of the large vehicle driver - you could not make this up !!


That's all for now. If I think of anything else then I'll add it to this post






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Re: Driver CPC information



#2 28-08-10 18:57:41

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Re: Driver CPC information

This is old news.

I did my second lot of DCPD this week


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#3 28-08-10 19:57:28

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Re: Driver CPC information

This is old news.

Old news to many but there are plenty out there who are unsure how things work out in different circumstances


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#4 28-08-10 22:09:29

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Re: Driver CPC information

This is old news.

I did my second lot of DCPD this week

Old news right enough, I train out Driver CPC, we are now onto module 3.............. BUT, the OP is correct, its amazing how many drivers STILL DO NOT know they need this.


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#5 29-08-10 08:27:42

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Re: Driver CPC information

we are now onto module 3....

Periodic courses are not defined into modules so could you explain please  ??


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#6 29-08-10 13:53:40

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Re: Driver CPC information

Technically speaking you can do the same course every year (first aid for example) as long as you do 35 hours over the 5 year period it doesnt matter what you do as long as the training provider is JAUPT registered or you go down the RTITB route. From what Ive seen theres going to be one mad dash in year 4 and 5 to complete this as alot are still sitting on the fence hoping its going to go away, of course prices will rise as demand increases, I was talking to a driver the other day who was'nt aware of dcpc "scary really"  yikes

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#7 29-08-10 14:12:14

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Re: Driver CPC information

Technically speaking you can do the same course every year

Or the same 7 hour course 5 times in one week !!

the training provider is JAUPT registered or you go down the RTITB route

I think you may find that any RTITB course must also be JAUPT approved for it to count for Dcpc


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#8 29-08-10 16:15:51

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Re: Driver CPC information

the training provider is JAUPT registered or you go down the RTITB route

I think you may find that any RTITB course must also be JAUPT approved for it to count for Dcpc

Ok was'nt sure about RTITB not had any dealings! We set our company up last year for driver cpc, well Im sure you can imagine it was'nt all plain sailing getting JAUPT registration with DSA lol

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#9 29-08-10 17:28:26

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Re: Driver CPC information

EKAL wrote:

we are now onto module 3....

Periodic courses are not defined into modules so could you explain please  ??

Module 3a - the principles of safe, economic and defensive driving
Module 3b - safe, economic and defensive driving

the RTITB have 5 modules, within them there is an a & b, so using the 5 x 2 method and mixing up the courses, you have 45 mini courses, but they refer to the main sections as modules.

hope this answers your question?


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#10 29-08-10 17:53:52

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Re: Driver CPC information

I see now - this is an internal RTITB module thing

I knew that the periodic Dcpc was not split into specific modules so it confused me as to where this had come from


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#11 29-08-10 18:08:23

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Re: Driver CPC information

yes internal

the qualification I have with the RTITB allows me to train it out externally(which I have done a couple of times), but I followed the RTITB modules, just like I did on the internal days, is there a better way?


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#12 29-08-10 18:27:09

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Re: Driver CPC information

if your doing it freelance and getting work from RTITB and using their JAUPT registration that sounds a good way to do it too me! But there is nothing stopping you delivering dcpc units for other training establishments using their material if they are JAUPT registered.

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#13 29-08-10 18:49:08

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Re: Driver CPC information

This is old news.

I did my second lot of DCPD this week

Like has already been said FRANKS it may be old news to the drivers who are already doing some training - but I still  get a number of visits or calls to my office from both Drivers and Companys who still don't really know what it involves :? :?, many people have buried their heads in the sand and will be panicking in about 3 years time


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#14 29-08-10 19:02:51

EKAL
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Re: Driver CPC information

if your doing it freelance and getting work from RTITB and using their JAUPT registration that sounds a good way to do it too me! But there is nothing stopping you delivering dcpc units for other training establishments using their material if they are JAUPT registered.

Hi, I'm not getting work from RTITB, I am an internal trainer for a company and was registered by RTITB to carryout internal training, but i have another JAUPT registered company I have done some work for, but I just based it on RTITB modules and it worked well enough


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#15 29-08-10 19:11:14

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Re: Driver CPC information

Hi Ekal if you are doing work for another company that is not using RTITB but is JAUPT registered then the training carried out for that company should be their own material that will have been presented to JAUPT, they then allow that company to deiver their own package under their own unique registration.

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#16 29-08-10 19:15:21

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Re: Driver CPC information

daz6215 wrote:

if your doing it freelance and getting work from RTITB and using their JAUPT registration that sounds a good way to do it too me! But there is nothing stopping you delivering dcpc units for other training establishments using their material if they are JAUPT registered.

Hi, I'm not getting work from RTITB, I am an internal trainer for a company and was registered by RTITB to carryout internal training, but i have another JAUPT registered company I have done some work for, but I just based it on RTITB modules and it worked well enough

Don't the other company have any courses of their own? As daz6215 has said the courses delivered by a company must be the one's they have registered - otherwise they could use someone elses courses and never register any themselves


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#17 29-08-10 19:25:24

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Re: Driver CPC information

the training I done was for a local cash and carry outfit(12 drivers), but I needed to be registered to carry out the training, I used a JAUPT company to carryout the registering and paperwork side, all I done was the actual day training based on RTITB structure. its just someone earlier didn't recognise the terminology I used (modules) and I thought there was other courses/modules I missed out on

the RTITB have structured a course for my main employer and its that one i use, but depending where I train, I now see I might have to use other modules/courses or at least change slightly

cheers


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#18 29-08-10 19:34:17

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Re: Driver CPC information

the training I done was for a local cash and carry outfit(12 drivers), but I needed to be registered to carry out the training, I used a JAUPT company to carryout the registering and paperwork side, all I done was the actual day training based on RTITB structure. its just someone earlier didn't recognise the terminology I used (modules) and I thought there was other courses/modules I missed out on

the RTITB have structured a course for my main employer and its that one i use, but depending where I train, I now see I might have to use other modules/courses or at least change slightly

cheers

Sorry I may be reading this wrong -the company who were JAUPT registered and uploaded the courses - they must have their own courses registered for it to count (if they don't belong to a consortium for example RTITB). They can't just use anybodys elses courses without them being approved to the training centre


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#19 29-08-10 19:40:36

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Re: Driver CPC information

Thats the way I read it John too !

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#20 29-08-10 20:04:21

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Re: Driver CPC information

EKAL wrote:

the training I done was for a local cash and carry outfit(12 drivers), but I needed to be registered to carry out the training, I used a JAUPT company to carryout the registering and paperwork side, all I done was the actual day training based on RTITB structure. its just someone earlier didn't recognise the terminology I used (modules) and I thought there was other courses/modules I missed out on

the RTITB have structured a course for my main employer and its that one i use, but depending where I train, I now see I might have to use other modules/courses or at least change slightly

cheers

Sorry I may be reading this wrong -the company who were JAUPT registered and uploaded the courses - they must have their own courses registered for it to count (if they don't belong to a consortium for example RTITB). They can't just use anybodys elses courses without them being approved to the training centre

sorry for mix up, the company does have its own course, and they are also to the RTITB layout, I just wanted to know what other courses were out there, as I thought the RTITB one was the same as all others.

now am confused - dam LOL


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#21 29-08-10 20:09:34

chevronjohn
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From: North West
Registered: 15-08-10
Posts: 172

Re: Driver CPC information

chevronjohn wrote:
EKAL wrote:

the training I done was for a local cash and carry outfit(12 drivers), but I needed to be registered to carry out the training, I used a JAUPT company to carryout the registering and paperwork side, all I done was the actual day training based on RTITB structure. its just someone earlier didn't recognise the terminology I used (modules) and I thought there was other courses/modules I missed out on

the RTITB have structured a course for my main employer and its that one i use, but depending where I train, I now see I might have to use other modules/courses or at least change slightly

cheers

Sorry I may be reading this wrong -the company who were JAUPT registered and uploaded the courses - they must have their own courses registered for it to count (if they don't belong to a consortium for example RTITB). They can't just use anybodys elses courses without them being approved to the training centre

sorry for mix up, the company does have its own course, and they are also to the RTITB layout, I just wanted to know what other courses were out there, as I thought the RTITB one was the same as all others.

now am confused - dam LOL

If only you'd said that before big_smile big_smile   

The courses I deliver have all been designed and written by myself - as long as they meet the syllabus and are approved then it's away you go.  I think that the courses should cover a wide range of subjects to give everyone something from them


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#22 30-08-10 10:59:02

(ROG)
Verified Member
From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: Driver CPC information

yes internal

the qualification I have with the RTITB allows me to train it out externally(which I have done a couple of times), but I followed the RTITB modules, just like I did on the internal days, is there a better way?

As most do not do it as modules then it is hard to say

Most Dcpc providers just get a course approved and deliver it to those that want it.

It seems as though the RTITB have got a set 5 X 7-hour courses which they term modules and works for them - great
The only problem could be is that it could give the punters the impression that these periodic 'modules' are needed in the same way that the initial modules are set up as legal requirements

The term 'module' is used for the initial modules 1 to 4 so, to my mind, using the same terminology for periodic courses could be seen as confusing - maybe it's just the way I see it.......


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