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#1 25-04-10 22:11:20

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Next Check Test

Hi,

Just got one question.....

I know i am due for a check test (i think it should have been in march) But my question is this should i contact DSA and ask when i will be getting one or do i just wait until i get the letter telling me i have one ?

your thoughts on this subject much appreciated.


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#2 26-04-10 06:33:31

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Re: Next Check Test

Wait for them to contact you


I am a former Police Driving Instructor and Ex DSA ADI examiner. My qualifications include: BTEC Level 4 Police Driving Skills, BTEC Level 3 in Teaching Advanced driving, NVQ A1 Assessors awrard, DIAmond advanced test, RoSPA gold, Cardington A. I am a grade 6 DSA Instructor, fleet trained and a Class 1 Police Driver. www.janeclarkedrivinginstructortraining.co.uk

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#3 27-04-10 07:01:06

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Re: Next Check Test

Thanks for the reply, Is there any reasoning behind doing that, or just putting it off as long as i  can?


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#4 27-04-10 07:29:47

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Re: Next Check Test

I remember listening to one of the big guys form the DSA ( I forget which ) at a conference where a similar question was asked, although the chap in question seemed keen to have his first CT so that he could move on with his driving school.

The answer was that he should contact the DSA who many have a cancellation ( or something along those lines ) and they would be pleased to fit him in. It was also said that most people were not in a hurry to have a CT so, effectively, they would be more than pleased to hear from someone who was ready to fit the DSA in!

That was my understanding anyway.

I suggest you read my type in bold again - read into it what you will.
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#5 27-04-10 22:28:00

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Re: Next Check Test

Think i may just leave it for a while until they are ready for me i guess.


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#6 27-04-10 23:08:11

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Re: Next Check Test

waited 11 years for mine

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#7 28-04-10 07:36:03

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Re: Next Check Test

Must have been more than a humble 4 ?


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#8 28-04-10 15:48:14

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Re: Next Check Test

only a 5, but got my 6 on that test.

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#9 10-07-10 23:16:19

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Re: Next Check Test

Well i have finally got my letter for my next check test !! its in four weeks time , i am going to find a pupil to take with me as i do not like the idea of Role play!
Question is

Can i take someone who is up for thier test in a few weeks ?

can i tke someone who has recently passed the L test?

does it have to be someone who has had around 16 hours?

Am not looking for an easy CT but would like to do the best i can !

so am looking for ideas as to what would be a good subject other than any manoevre.

so voer to you as it were.......


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#10 10-07-10 23:30:40

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Re: Next Check Test

Do a normal lesson - don't try and put on a show (OR set one up).

It can be anyone you want as long as the lesson is relevant. If it's a rank beginner, you're not going to be showing off your identify/analyse/remedy skills over much. If you take a full licence holder, make sure there is something to fix otherwise your lesson has no purpose (IMO).

Safest bet (IMO) is to take someone who would be having a lesson anyway, and cover what you would be covering on that lesson. Don't try and use words and phrases etc. you wouldn't normally.

Don't forget it's YOUR check test, so other peoples wacky ideas about what to try are dead safe. For them! lol

The bottom line is that you almost certainly can't wangle a 6 if you're at an "E" standard. Use the CT to find out how good you are, not to try and be something you aren't - because that won't work.

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#11 11-07-10 10:02:30

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Re: Next Check Test

Do a normal lesson


I keep hearing this advice but my opinion is that your check test should NOT be a normal lesson.

Out of interest Aspyre, having given this advice out, what is your ct score?


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#12 11-07-10 21:11:46

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Re: Next Check Test

Thanks Aspyre

Don't try and use words and phrases etc. you wouldn't normally.

I know that the CT should about development and what you say makes sense to me and thanks for taking the time to reply.


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#13 11-07-10 21:34:09

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Re: Next Check Test

I agree with Aspyre entirely, normal lesson but make sure you spend a few moments at the beginning for recap on last lesson and to set clear aims and objectives and again at the end to find out what pupil has learned.

I don't know about other SE's but the one I had said at the beginning before getting in the car "just give a normal lesson, fix all faults that occur and don't be afraid of changing the lesson plan if necessary to fix those faults."

They are not bothered about keeping with the chosen subject they just want to see core comps and learning taking place and that is what will get you the grade.

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#14 12-07-10 07:09:51

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Re: Next Check Test

If you want a 6 you have to kow-tow to the wishes of our lords and masters. Spend time at the beginning detailing what the pupil did on the previous lesson, outline the current lesson plan , and at the end recap the current lesson and outline what you will do next lesson. Personnally I completely disagree with spending more than a minute to cover the lot. My time is better spent instructing than recapping situations where the pupil was present and any problems were dealt with at the time. Imo these "chats" at the beginning and end of each lesson would cost the pupil over £150+ over the their learning period.

In reducing their length to a minimum I am saving the pupil 6+ lessons. This will lead to more referrals and feed me ! Unlike the DSA I operate in the real world with lots of competition ( 50% more since 2003 ) , not in a monopoly situation. I only do it their way on CTs . The actual tuition on CT should be a normal lesson . I would be interested to hear views on doing role play on CT rather than bringing a pupil, but thats probably another thread.

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#15 12-07-10 21:41:02

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Re: Next Check Test

Hi all,

I havn't had a check test as yet and am still waiting for the grown ups to get in touch with me.

All these posts tell me that its all just a game. Teach the pupils how to drive in a way in which the DSA want you to teach and when its over, get back to reality. All my pupils are happy with the way I conduct a lesson and I've never had a complaint. I wonder if it would be good enough for the DSA.

I can imagine what one of my pupils would think when I eventually take them to a check test. They would think I'm a totally different person and wish they hadn't started with me. But I could be wrong, time will tell.

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#16 13-07-10 00:33:21

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Re: Next Check Test

Hi Jon.

Here's my view.
Todays lesson plan is based on the clients needs, and the starting point is where they are after their last lesson. I find out how much has been retained from the last lesson by doing a recap.  Based on the results of the recap,  we set the topic and aim of todays lesson.
By doing it this way, the clients progress is continued.

I don't turn up, get the client settled in the drivers seat and tell them what todays lesson is and just get on with it.

I've had too many clients from other instructors that have gaping holes in their ability or knowledge and very often it's because they've had lesson with previous instructors that the instructor wanted to do without checking if the learner has actually remembered much of their previous session, or if they have any queries regarding it's topic. The client forgets about their queries because they are now concentrating on todays session.

Instead of saving 6 hours of lessons, it's really costing them many more. Each topic is having to be repaired because the instructors are not consolidating sufficiently.

The same is true for many PDI trainers. PDI's are often given sessions unconnected with previous sessions, no consolidation from one session to the next.

ROMPS really does help the client.

Recapping is an integral part of checking where the client is, and gives a clear starting point for setting out the objective and aims for the current session.

But of course, I'm talking crap, because it is fairly clear to me that so many instructors set out the topic for the session weeks in advance.........or is that just when they get the check test letter through?????

Time and time again I hear and read instructors stating what topic they are going to do on the check test.........before even deciding what client they are going to be taking, let alone what the client will actually need by the time the check test date arrives.

Forgo recapping on lessons at your clients expense.  forgo it on check test at your grading expense......oh hang on, your grade is more important to you than your clients needs....so you'll forgo it on your clients paid lessons but you'll do it on check test "to satisfy the examiner".

I do a lot of things on my lessons that I was never taught to do.....and I'll do them on check tests.
What I won't compromise on is ROMPS on every lesson or check tests.

When I was training roofers, the first thing we did every morning was go over the work and methods we did the day before. I called it consolidation. Yes we always finished the previous day with a summary, but that was while the days work was fresh in their minds. By carrying out the morning consolidation, it helped them recall and could hilight gaps in their knowledge or understanding.
The driver training industry calls it recapping. By discussing and if need be practicing again, it helps us fully commit knowledge to memory with understanding.

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#17 13-07-10 06:14:26

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Re: Next Check Test

I would never do a role play CT because you are giving control of the lesson to the examiner.   Role play is all pretend, it has nothing to do with the real world where pupils make genuine mistakes and learn from them.

All these posts tell me that its all just a game. Teach the pupils how to drive in a way in which the DSA want you to teach and when its over, get back to reality

M6 you are right, it is just a game.   But you need to teach pupils how to drive in a way thats acceptable to that particular examiner, which might be totally different from the next one.    There's more inconsistency than with driving test examiners.

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#18 13-07-10 09:21:36

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Re: Next Check Test

I dont really know how you can do a lesson without at least some form of recap....

Even if it's just a case of "Last week we did Bay parking so we'll drive off to the same car park and have another practise" it's a recap, brief, sets an objective, then when you get to said car park have a Q & A session about the manoeuvre.

Couldn't imagine getting into a car and just saying drive.... When someone gets close to test standard I may do a lesson without a specific objective but the intro will go something like "We're going for a bit of drive today, we're off to XXXXXX as they'll be roads you're unfamiliar with and it'll be a good test of hazard perception, awareness and planning etc, any faults that crop up we'll deal with but today is more about practise"

There is an element of 'game' about the check test, just like Part 3, but the core competancies shouldn't change. That is what they're looking for. If you continually let the driver do things wrong and don't fix the faults you'll score low. Don't see what's too difficult about that.

I've had 2 check tests so far and DID decide a couple of weeks in advance what I would do as I had the pupil sorted. First was either going to be a motorway lesson or fixing faults from her driving test if she failed which was a week before check test. 2nd I did moving off and stopping. Had a new driver who was happy to have SE in the back for their first lesson.

I can imagine what one of my pupils would think when I eventually take them to a check test. They would think I'm a totally different person and wish they hadn't started with me. But I could be wrong, time will tell.

Why, what do you do that's so radical?

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#19 13-07-10 10:20:36

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Re: Next Check Test

Hi Jon.

Here's my view.
Todays lesson plan is based on the clients needs, and the starting point is where they are after their last lesson. I find out how much has been retained from the last lesson by doing a recap.  Based on the results of the recap,  we set the topic and aim of todays lesson.
By doing it this way, the clients progress is continued.



Recapping is an integral part of checking where the client is, and gives a clear starting point for setting out the objective and aims for the current session.

But of course, I'm talking crap, because it is fairly clear to me that so many instructors set out the topic for the session weeks in advance.........or is that just when they get the check test letter through?????

Time and time again I hear and read instructors stating what topic they are going to do on the check test.........before even deciding what client they are going to be taking, let alone what the client will actually need by the time the check test date arrives.



When I was training roofers, the first thing we did every morning was go over the work and methods we did the day before. I called it consolidation. Yes we always finished the previous day with a summary, but that was while the days work was fresh in their minds. By carrying out the morning consolidation, it helped them recall and could hilight gaps in their knowledge or understanding.
The driver training industry calls it recapping. By discussing and if need be practicing again, it helps us fully commit knowledge to memory with understanding.

big_smile  Great post couldn't agree more


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#20 14-07-10 17:05:08

jonsmithuk
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Registered: 27-10-07
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Re: Next Check Test

Just curious Kevin, How long does this recap at the beginning of a lesson take ? All lessons are based on the client's needs , however , I think its better to see what the pupil has retained by getting them to physically perform the task without instruction, eg: TIR . Nike , just do it ! If they can then QED problem solved ,  if not recap , verbally and physically. The way my check test examiner was belabouring the point , I would be losing nearly a quarter of the lesson time in recapping and explaining what we would be doing.

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#21 14-07-10 18:24:52

Aspyre
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Registered: 17-01-09
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Re: Next Check Test

My last check test examiner was nothing like that.

I recapped the previous lesson in a couple of minutes using Q&A, and since the CT lesson was a continuation of that it followed on nicely. At the end, I did a similar thing. I got 6s for recap at start and recap at end.

I recap on every lesson: "How did the last lesson go? What did we cover? What went right? What things did we say we wanted to deal with some more?" Then at the end I fill in my record sheet so I know what to recap on next time.

I'm not saying everyone should do it my way. It seems strange though that you are trained to do in part 3 (if you're being trained properly) and expected to do it on a CT. Since those two things are the spine of what being an ADI really is, people deciding for themselves what to teach and what not to teach, etc. is a bit fishy.

It's no wonder people have to put on an act for their CTs if they aren't doing it right the rest of the time.

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