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#1 16-02-10 18:25:47

hugh0003
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petrol station short cut

is there a persivic offence for cutting through a petrol station to beat lights or traffic

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#2 17-02-10 00:26:57

KevB
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Re: petrol station short cut

I recall watching one of those police fly on wall proggies where the cops pulled someone over for doing that.
Cop was rattling on at the lad for jumping a red light. I dunno if it was an actual offence or wether the cop was just in "telling off" mode

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#3 17-02-10 13:56:43

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Re: petrol station short cut

No it cannot be an traffic offence or even one of tresspass. As long as you do not cross the white line to beat the red light, it is not a signal offence so just an over zealous copper by the sounds of things.

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#4 17-02-10 15:33:08

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Re: petrol station short cut

No it cannot be an traffic offence or even one of tresspass. As long as you do not cross the white line to beat the red light, it is not a signal offence so just an over zealous copper by the sounds of things.

"To beat the red light" is the operative phrase.
If they drive through the forecourt,withthe intention to bypass the red light and it's stop line, not an offence?

If you feel it is 100% legal I'd like to set up a little experiment, if you are willing.
I'll arrange  for traffic police to be waiting at a set of lights.
As they go red,  you can pull off the tarmac, drive along the verge thereby not physically driving over the stop line, and continue on your way.   Fancy it?

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#5 17-02-10 16:26:42

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Re: petrol station short cut

Lets not take things out of context people........ if someone is cutting through a petrol station to beat red lights they are hardly likely to be driving safely and with due consideration for others whilst on that forecourt, are they?? I can't imagine them driving at 5mph with the risk the lights will change and so they might look foolish.

Seems like the Police are being criticised for nabbing someone who did it tongue

Perhaps there is more to it than just getting ahead.

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#6 17-02-10 23:00:08

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Re: petrol station short cut

Good point Aspyre.

...just an over zealous copper by the sounds of things.

Might have been the one who fines you for littering when you accidentally drop money on the ground?


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#7 19-02-10 23:04:08

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Re: petrol station short cut

Can't see if being an offense for running a red light. But Im sure the police could find some reason to pull you over and talk to you about it. Maybe they could decide that you've only used to petrol station to bypass a red light and fine you for it.

Personally I hate inpatience... cannot stand it. As has been mentioned, you probably wouldnt be driving safely through the forecourt anyway.

Like Kevin says- Would you do it if you knew a traffic officer was watching? Almost certainly not, so in that sense, you are doing something wrong, even if we cannot pinpoint the exact offense.


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#8 24-02-10 21:46:50

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Re: petrol station short cut

....persivic...

:? :? :?

I don't see how it can be an offence and I would imagine the copper in question just wanted to hold the impatient twat up so that he hadn't gained by the shortcut.

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#9 25-02-10 08:14:09

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Re: petrol station short cut

Kevin, driving along the verge as opposed to taking drive in and then out of a petrol station is two completely different scenarios - and I think you know that. Don't be a silly billy! big_smile

Lets look at the legal standpoint. Is it an offence to leave the highway and drive into a petrol station? Of course not, as long as it is safe to do so and you drive in a reasonable manner.

Is it an offence to leave a petrol station and drive onto a highway? Again, of course not provided you are not contravening road signs - ie you turn right when a sign says no right turn etc. Again, as long as you drive in a reasonable and controlled manner and it is safe to join the carriageway.

Is it illegal to drive into a petrol station and decide that you actually do not wish to purchase petrol after all? Of course.

So, what should you do? Reverse back out onto a busy main road? No, drive out of an exit. If that exit is on a different road then so be it.

There is no offence of driving into or out of a petrol station as such and thus no offence would be committed by doing so, whatever the situation. Same would apply to a pub car park or McDonalds. You are free to choose to go to McDonalds and you are also free to choose to change your mind or not buy anything.

The police would have no grounds to stop you for doing any of the above and certainly a prosecution would fail as no offence is committed.

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#10 25-02-10 08:23:12

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Re: petrol station short cut

The only offence is of trespass, if the garage  wanted to persue it.  But that wouldn't involve any coppers anyway.

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#11 25-02-10 11:31:38

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Re: petrol station short cut

Its normally done at speed and without consideration of people coming out of the office to return to their cars. Not an offence in law, but offensive driving and behaviour.

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#12 20-02-11 17:59:26

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Re: petrol station short cut

is there a persivic offence for cutting through a petrol station to beat lights or traffic

No specific offence, but driving w/o due care and attention could be used, but then its up to a magistrate to determine the definition of the law. Or civil law could be used.

Most petrol stations have a speed limit and the police will undoubtably use this.
If not the police could ask the owner of the forecourt if you had permission to enter their property for the purposes of running a red light, I bet they would co-operate with the police. At the very very least they will cause you inconvieience.
But most of all it's dangerous and should never be done.

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#13 20-02-11 22:53:07

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Re: petrol station short cut

I see this regularly when at work sometimes it occurrs in front of me and sometimes behind,there is no specific offence unless someone is actually inconvenienced or placed in danger.  If they complete there manoeuvre without incident then so be it if they appear to cause someone any harm then I take a mental note  of any vehicle's etc and have words with the said offending driver,if nothing comes of it at least he has inconvenienced himself by drawing attention to himself,whilst in a hurry.
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