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#1 15-02-10 23:42:34

martin Williams
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Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

How long does this normally take? My APPEAL went in on 1st Jan Pink ran out 19th Jan. Stated inability to book tests dates as reason for needing second pink. Taken two attempts at part 3. One about a month before the appeal and the other about three weeks ago. Second was put back 3 weeks because of snow. Reluctant to book my 3rd try till I find out if my appeal is accepted. How have other PDIs got on with there appeals?

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#2 15-02-10 23:54:05

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

I trained in 2005 and had 2 trainee licences. There was no problem in granting me the second one. I think the criteria then was having to have took at least 1 attempt at part three before applying for second trainee licence. I never heard of any other trainees being refused second trainee license then as long as they had had 1 attempt at part three so would not worry to much. The delay could be caused due to the dsa being very busy with the snow and having a backlog of tests to catch up with. I know they have been very busy recently.


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#3 16-02-10 09:21:53

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Martin, it could take 3 months.

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#4 16-02-10 11:36:33

martin Williams
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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Thanks for them replys I will let you know how long it takes.

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#5 16-02-10 12:12:34

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Hi
  2nd licences do not seem to be being granted at the moment, the process is 1. apply for 2nd licence , 2. get letter stating considering refusal , 3. letter from PDI giving reasons for licence , 4. letter from DSA refusing licence and offering appeals process, 5. appeal application sent, 6. confirmation of receipt of appeal with request for appeal grounds from traffic tribunal . 5. grounds for appeal sent by PDI 6. date of appeal hearing sent by traffic tribunal. ,
        This is the process always used but at times the DSA will grant a 2nd or even 3rd licence at stage 1 or 4 depending on various factors normally nothing to do with the PDI in question.
One final comment ; an inability to take 3 attempts at part 3 is not accepted as a valid reason to grant another licence as the purpose of the licence is to enable 6 months practice , any reason that 6 months practice has not been able to be undertaken for any reason will be heard more favourably but the last time l checked there was only a couple of cases when it got thro to the traffic tribunal that won their cases over many years so it is a means to get further attempts needed at part 3 rather than any expectation that the appeal will be granted .
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#6 16-02-10 22:22:40

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Thanks for that information Sue. Any idea how long it takes to get to the final stage 6? Also can I teach for reward till that point if it gos that far? Seems strange their quite happy to take my money for a second licence then say they may not grant it. Any PDIs out there had a second pink recently and what grounds did you state?

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#7 17-02-10 09:11:04

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Hi Martin ,
The whole process from start to finish can take up to 5/6 months often depending on the waiting time for hearing dates with the Traffic tribunal, these get longer the more 2nd licences get turned down by the DSA, follow the letters timings carefully ie when they state you should reply within 14 days, make sure it is 13days and send items recorded always , l agree totally its wrong that DSA take and cash your licence payment as soon as it arrives even phoning to confirm security numbers on your debit/credit cards but having queried this in the past the only way to refund the money is to put a halt on the process which means no licence.
     You can continue to teach for reward all during the process and the dsa will confirm this in their letters , they change the number of 2nd pinks they give out fairly regularly and there is always a chance they may have changed by the time you reply but its a real luck of the draw game, l have 2 PDI's currently waiting for appeal dates who's licences ran out in Nov/Dec and its been a number of years now since l had any PDI's not get a 2nd licence at some point during the 6 point stage but have warned them both the chances are next to zero when it gets taken out of the the DSA's hands as the law is very black and white
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#8 17-02-10 11:32:38

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Thanks for that Sue. Think i will wait and if not granted go for third attempt just before final appeal. Hopefully by then with the extra training I'm putting in all will go well. Cant see the point of waiting for the tribunal result if theres only a month or so left anyway? Thanks again for all the info.

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#9 17-02-10 21:31:24

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

Hi Martin,

Believe it or not I was refused a second pink in the end! It went through all the stages detailed by Sue and at the very final stage it was refused!
As soon as I had submitted the application, you guessed it the payment was taken by the DSA, so very soon after the final decision I received a cheque for the full amount of the cost of the badge. You may think I'd be really ticked off by this whole process however it took 7 months! Yes, that's right 7 months so I got an extra month and never had to pay at all for the second pink!!!!

Well Done DSA!

Kevin

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#10 18-02-10 01:13:39

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

This aspect of the trainee licence scheme really needs to be cleaned up.
The Registrar really needs to grow some balls and set down a much tighter criteria regarding the terms of when the DSA permit an expired licence to remain in force pending an appeal, centred on the mitigations put forward by the trainee.

Medical grounds, extenuating circumstances, then allow an extention, pending the appeal hearing.
Failing a test attempt, and other lame reasons, appeal to proceed but no extention of licence granted pending the appeal hearing.

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#11 18-02-10 08:19:37

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Re: Second Pink on appeal how long does it take?

It's really interesting to read the decision summaries (DSA cases) on the 'Transport Tribunal' website.

http://www.transporttribunal.gov.uk/aspx/default.aspx

It would appear that 2nd Trainee Licences are rarely granted nowadays!

I think you have to have a very convincing case to be granted a second pink!



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