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#1 09-08-09 14:03:15

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Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Just got me thinking, can you be pulled over for no reason whatsoever, and if you ask why you are being pulled over do the police have to give an answer?

Only reason I ask is because a couple of weeks ago on my travels, a police car followed me for the best part of 2 miles and then pulled me over one street before home. I was oblivious as to why...I hadn't been driving like a loon or anything, my car and myself are fully legal.

He came over and asked me to jump in his car, which I did. Whilst locked in the back of the police car he had a look around my car, then came over a couple of minutes later. In fact he commented on the brand new tyres I had at the time. Then he bombarded me with questions about whether the car was registered in my name, I was the policy holder on the insurance etc. All of which I answered yes. He had a look at my driving licence and then radioed through to HQ who replied that I was indeed the owner and the insurance policy holder.

Two minutes later he said thank you and let me on my way  :?

Now it's fair enough that I live on a dodgy estate and I would expect that quite a few people around here are driving illegally, however those people are also the ones who look scruffy, don't wear seat belts and they drive 15 year old Ford Escorts with the obligatory panel in a different colour to the rest of the car, or a bumper held together with duct tape.

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#2 09-08-09 16:03:44

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

A police officer can pull over any motor vehicle to check all documentation is in order, so you don't necessarily have had to commit or be suspected of committing an offence.

If/when a police officer asks you "Do you know why I have stopped you?" they are usually on a fishing trip to see if you will admit to the offence as they need more evidence, or just to see if you will admit to a separate offence which the officer may have had no idea that you had committed.  For example:
"Do you know why I have stopped you?"
"Is it because I was on my mobile?"
"no it wasn't that"
"Because I was eating a bacon sandwich while driving?"
"no but keep going"
"Because I didn't stop and leave my details when I scraped another car in Tesco car park?"
"No, I pulled you over because your nearside brake light is out"

Obviously the above is a gross exaggeration, but you get the picture.

Hope this helps.

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#3 09-08-09 16:19:26

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Hey Kev, Don't forget car 'Snooker'.
Black cars obviously scoring more points.
big_smile

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#4 09-08-09 17:31:07

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

I once got pulled over after driving out of a local pub restaraunt late at night, obviously looking for drink drivers but I don`t really drink and all I had was a coke(gets up the nose that stuff big_smile )  Anyway as soon as the police man comes up to the car, the then girlfriend launches a verbal barage and asking why they weren`t out catching terrorists etc.  :oops:

We spent the next hour while they took the car apart and left me to put it all back together, didn`t find anything as the car had just been MOTd and insured and all legal.


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#5 09-08-09 20:35:20

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

The police have the power to stop anyone at any time – they don’t need to give you a reason – and failing to stop is a criminal offence.


http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/pow … d-traffic/


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#6 10-08-09 22:54:09

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Perfect link, cheers.

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#7 11-08-09 23:06:31

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Yes they can!
I got stopped in Shawlands main street Glasgow... Blue lights the works!
Reason?
Condence version goes like this....
"Step out the car sir.Do you know it's an offence to use a mobile phone while driving?"

Basically what happened was picking up pupil had to going around the bloc waiting on her. Pulled in while waiting made contact with new pupil for next day. Popped mobi in shirt pocket, started car & moved off alarm on the mobi diary for pupil pickup goes off so i lift phone no more that 2 inches to press any key to put alarm off, see the tail of cop car. Pick up pupil (2nd lesson). Go all the way round bloc again see same cop car then move into main road. Get stopped (see above).

Female off says that she saw me using phone.  :x
Explained what i had done and offered to show them when i had made a call.
Said that i had been txting then while i was  driving!!!!! :x
Told them again that they could check my phone and i could prove the last time i sent or recieved a txt was at 11am  while pupil was at test..... it was now 4.30pm.

Again explained what i did.

Then told it was an offence to actually touch any part of a phone while driving. This could be correct but not sure! Anyone help there as not sure thumb and finger in shirt pocket for 2 secs is dangerous.(there goes the nose pickin then  tongue)

Any hoo i have went from being very good humoured about this to now getting a wee bit annoyed. Wee old Glasgow lady stands there nodding in agreement with me as i go thro the accusations again only now to be told by two red face officers that i am playing with their words!!!!

Take this as some friendly advice ...(blue lights still flashing traffic down to one lane)..... on your way.
Luckily pupil in fits as she had heard the full thing.


Donnie ADI.

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#8 11-08-09 23:35:01

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Then told it was an offence to actually touch any part of a phone while driving.

. For the purposes of this regulation -
•1. a mobile telephone or other device is to be treated as hand-held if it is, or must be, held at some point during the course of making or receiving a call or performing any other interactive communication function;
"interactive communication function" includes the following:
•i. sending or receiving oral or written messages;
•ii. sending or receiving facsimile documents;
•iii. sending or receiving still or moving images; and
•iv. providing access to the internet;

This is from the 2003 legislation, in 2007 the penalties were increased but the legislation remains the same


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#9 12-08-09 22:21:26

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Thanks for that Tony clears it up for me.
Although it was an alarm that was going off, same as on a wrist watch. But point taken.

Still think the....... using phone....er....txting......er.......touching......er......not sure now so on yer way,,,,, just PANTS  tongue


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#10 21-09-09 12:12:24

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

My ex Boss went to court for a similar offence, he got his phone off the dash switched it on and out it in his hands free, he was stationary at traffic lights. He argued with the officer saying that why would he use his phone when he has a hands free. And that he could have been easily getting anything from the dash like a pen or Banana and that wouldnt have been an affence.

He got 3 points and had to pay 450 pounds in court costs. My ex boss is an arrogant pig, and thiks he is above the law and has been done for lots of driving offenses and got other people to take penalties points for speeding etc, so he did deserve it. He has been banned from driving this year twice already,both times for 3 weeks.He is the type of person that wil never learn.


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#11 07-12-09 06:27:11

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

What I object to is the council using the police to stop traffic at a survey site.

I regard this as an abuse because the surveys are typically done in a layby with first in first out.

This means you are held up even if you do not answer the questions (you have the right to refuse).


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#12 07-12-09 06:47:19

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

I don't have too much of a problem with them using the Police on these occasions, I would guess that they would have to pay for their presence.  I'm just waiting to be stopped on a lesson....'Where have you come from?"  give pupils address "Where are you going to?"  again, give pupils address.

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#13 07-12-09 06:51:25

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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

I don't have too much of a problem with them using the Police on these occasions, I would guess that they would have to pay for their presence.  I'm just waiting to be stopped on a lesson....'Where have you come from?"  give pupils address "Where are you going to?"  again, give pupils address.

Nigel


Would you give the pupil a 10 minute extension to their lesson? Would you expect the pupil to take the hit and pay for the tme spent doing the survey? Would you try to claim the time (money) back from the council? - It's a can of worms I do not want to open.


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#14 07-12-09 08:54:52

smithwold
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From: Berkshire
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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

I don't have too much of a problem with them using the Police on these occasions, I would guess that they would have to pay for their presence.  I'm just waiting to be stopped on a lesson....'Where have you come from?"  give pupils address "Where are you going to?"  again, give pupils address.
Nigel

Did this 2 weeks ago.  Often get waved through as well.

Police are present as I understand in case anybody gets stroppy at giving their details. After all, the census people are only doing their job and shouldn't have to take flack. Police also check tax disks and tyres.  Not a bad thing in my book unless you have something to hide of course.

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#15 07-12-09 09:22:15

KevB
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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Police are required as they have powers to stop, under RTA

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#16 07-12-09 09:51:33

MrBassMan
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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

Police are required as they have powers to stop, under RTA

Yes but it is not a manditory requirement to answer the questions and the police have no grounds to suspect an offence has been commited. Hence I believe it an abuse of police powers.

I would have little objection if you got pulled over, wound the window down and said 'not today thank you I am busy' and then drove off. But that is NOT what happens locally.

You are waved over by the police into a coned lane with no passing points. You must therefore sit and wait until the cars ahead move off, even if you do not want to answer the questions.


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#17 07-12-09 13:34:33

smithwold
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Re: Can you be pulled over for no reason?

I really can't see the problem with answering a few questions.

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