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#1 09-10-09 07:49:55

Nissanman
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Pass Plus

Hi
Anyone done a pass plus module with the check test? I have mine coming up and have a couple of pupils who have recently passed their test and seem keen to take the passplus, which is unusual.  Would like to do this lesson on the motorway as the tc is quite close to the motorway.  Any tips and advice would be great!

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#2 09-10-09 18:41:02

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Re: Pass Plus

Did my 1st check test 6 months after qualifying and did pass plus motorway focusing on joining / exiting and overtaking. Made the mistake of trying to cram in too much info about breakdowns telephones when  there wasn't alot going on between junctions and forgot to check the regular rear mirror checks! Otherwise it was pretty straightforward.
Didn't focus too much on the driving as they're test standard. Lots of pics of signs etc in brief, Google earth some sliproads / junctions, keep it simple.
From my TC it's a just over a 5 min drive on to the A1(M) which is 2 / 3 lanes so with a 5ish min brief, 15mins round trip to motorway and a few mins debrief at the end it was a 35min roundtrip up and down the motorway!
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#3 09-10-09 18:55:40

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Re: Pass Plus

Whenever I've given a m/w lesson i draw on the pupils experiences of dealing with dual carriageways, in particular joining and exiting, making progress and forward planning. I would use Q+A on joining and exiting a dc and relate joining and exiting the m/w to that and mention any differences (such as seperate joining lanes divided by solid line) Then Q+A on making progress (inc overtaking, road and traffic conditions and seperation distances) and mention any differences (such as signalling to move back to the left on a m/w, changes to speeds and lanes by way of gantry signs) Then Q+A on forward planning (using info from signs and planning next stage of drive etc)

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#4 09-10-09 21:06:22

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Re: Pass Plus

Thanks for that may well use this as a plan then, did you get a good grade for this lesson on the check test?

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#5 09-10-09 21:08:20

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Re: Pass Plus

I havent, but a guy I used as a trainer did, two years ago and got a 6............. (a real one I saw the sheet!)

Entry and exit, making sure of speed match befoe leaving entry slip road, mirror checks, lane changing and using lane two at next entry point to facilitate easy access of other vehilces to motorway.

I would certainly consider it next time if I can find the right pupil.

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#6 09-10-09 21:20:38

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Re: Pass Plus

Thanks for that should I term the lanes as one two and three?  As I tend to use the terms left middle and outside, would this be seen as poor instruction?

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#7 10-10-09 21:21:23

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Re: Pass Plus

Whatever's good for you and your pupil. What I think is the outside some people think is the inside and vice versa.

To me the lane nearest the central reservation is the outside lane but my wife calls it the inside lane as it's on the inside of the road.

left, middle and right is good unless the person your teaching forgets which is which, which happens quite regularly or they ask "Am I in the right lane?" yes, you're in the CORRECT lane which is in fact the left lane!

Easiest way is to find out - ask what the person driving calls them and then use their terms.

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#8 12-10-09 07:43:47

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Re: Pass Plus

The advantage of using lanes '1,2 and 3', is that you can continue to apply it with any number of lanes, think about how you would describe a 4 or 5 lane strech of road!

It is also the terminology used by the emergency services and most advanced driving organisations so aids consistency.

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#9 12-10-09 17:40:15

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Re: Pass Plus

The advantage of using lanes '1,2 and 3', is that you can continue to apply it with any number of lanes, think about how you would describe a 4 or 5 lane strech of road!

It is also the terminology used by the emergency services and most advanced driving organisations so aids consistency.


Just as a curiosity, how do you number/describe lanes on roundabouts where there are, say 4 lanes and you want your pup to take the 3rd from right or 2nd from centre?

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#10 12-10-09 22:08:01

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Re: Pass Plus

Same way, starting from left kerb 1,2,3,4, so on approach to the roundabout we might be in lane one and sticking to lane one on the roundabout.

it is a consistent and logical way to describe lanes in the same way we use numbers for roundabout exits, numbers for gears and numbers for junctions (first, or second left for example)

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#11 13-10-09 08:42:03

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Re: Pass Plus

Thats great thanks for the replies really appreciate them.  May have a pupil in mind for the pass plus if not may have a back up for meeting and crossing traffic and one for crossings see how they progress in the weeks leading up to the test.  Seems you need a lesson that you can really get your teeth into?

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#12 13-10-09 10:53:00

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Re: Pass Plus

Get your teeth into yes, if you cant demonstrate they have learnt something, you cant expect a good grade.

BUT.... make sure it is well within thier capabilities, if your crossings route involves dealing with roundabouts and they are weak at them, you will almost certainly have to change your lesson plan and deal with roundabouts faults., so be careful.

Biggest thing to remember is that if they show any fault outside the lesson plan, deal with it. If it is minor it can be dealt with on the move, if it is repeated or is a bit more signifigant, stop the car and deal with it properly.

I didn't on my 1st check and was heavily critcised, the lesson plan is no more than a start point for the lesson, don't be afraid to throw it out of the window if needs be.

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#13 13-10-09 12:28:15

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Re: Pass Plus

Thanks for that, learning to take place, change the lesson plan if other problems crop up, great advice!

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