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#1 27-09-09 19:27:18

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Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, which you can explain to the SE or do you have to remember all the dialogue word for word and whats the best way to not get nervous and stay calm and relaxed?

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#2 27-09-09 19:40:51

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Yes you can bring briefing diagrams, and no you do not, and should not remember the dialogue word for word. You should know the subject but the dialogue can change, your briefing should be a two way thing and as such what you say might have to change depending on what the SE already knows or what he says.

Sorry can`t help with the staying calm and relaxed bit as I never really got that bit myself  sad


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#3 27-09-09 19:47:11

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

The briefing drawing is for the CLIENT/STUDENT not the instructor.  Yes you can take them on your Part 3.

This should be explained by your trainer.  I produce my own diagrams (available to buy online) AND.....

Briefings are something my trainees struggle on, too much, not enough, too long, too short on detail and info.  Think of it as what they NEED to know, in a structured way.  Usually these are you objectives for the lesson, e.g. Turn in Road is the Aim, Objectives are Control, Observation, Accuracy. 

Go through Control, in an interactive way, chronologically as you would do it (IE STRUCTURED)
Go through observation, in an interactive way, chronologically as you would do it
Go through accuracy, in an interactive way, chronologically as you would do it

Then get stuck in! Simples.......errrrrrrr not without GOOOOOOD training!


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#4 27-09-09 19:58:14

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Yes you can bring briefing diagrams, and no you do not, and should not remember the dialogue word for word. You should know the subject but the dialogue can change, your briefing should be a two way thing and as such what you say might have to change depending on what the SE already knows or what he says.

Sorry can`t help with the staying calm and relaxed bit as I never really got that bit myself  sad

Yes you can bring briefing diagrams, and no you do not, and should not remember the dialogue word for word. You should know the subject but the dialogue can change, your briefing should be a two way thing and as such what you say might have to change depending on what the SE already knows or what he says.

Sorry can`t help with the staying calm and relaxed bit as I never really got that bit myself  sad

So you could show the briefing diagram to the SE and go over the points or would that make the SE think that you need the diagram as a means to explain what you will do?

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#5 27-09-09 20:07:51

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Remember what nerves are......anxiety.....

and anxiety is possibly FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN!

IF you KNOW how to deliver a good breifing, and understand it, it should be easy and relaxed....if you DON'T KNOW then it is nerve racking.......

So get some really good training on how to deliver your briefings!


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#6 27-09-09 21:07:07

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Remember what nerves are......anxiety.....

and anxiety is possibly FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN!

IF you KNOW how to deliver a good breifing, and understand it, it should be easy and relaxed....if you DON'T KNOW then it is nerve racking.......

So get some really good training on how to deliver your briefings!

What do you recommend is the way to give a good briefing, right to the point and easy to remember?

i was told its what you say and how you say it

will the SE mark you down if  you get nervous or your mouth dries up when speaking?

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#7 28-09-09 12:39:44

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

A good briefing should be interactive taking the pupil from the known to the unknown.
Keep to the key points only (variables can be dealt with at a later time)
Use a good visual aid diagram and a prompt card to ensure all the key points are covered and 'your story' is told in a structured and logical manner, this will keep the briefing time down. 


I am a former Police Driving Instructor and Ex DSA ADI examiner. My qualifications include: BTEC Level 4 Police Driving Skills, BTEC Level 3 in Teaching Advanced driving, NVQ A1 Assessors awrard, DIAmond advanced test, RoSPA gold, Cardington A. I am a grade 6 DSA Instructor, fleet trained and a Class 1 Police Driver. www.janeclarkedrivinginstructortraining.co.uk

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#8 28-09-09 20:34:44

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

A good briefing should be interactive taking the pupil from the known to the unknown.
Keep to the key points only (variables can be dealt with at a later time)
Use a good visual aid diagram and a prompt card to ensure all the key points are covered and 'your story' is told in a structured and logical manner, this will keep the briefing time down.

So depending on what the SE chooses for section 2 of part 3, cam I select the relevant visual aid diagram, say for exmaple the SE chooses PST 1, can I find the diagram briefing for that, do I hold it in my hand explaining it or give it to the SE and explain it?

will you be downmarked if you use a diagram briefing?

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#9 28-09-09 21:09:38

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

You will need the lesson presenter for both parts of your part 3 exam, depending which presenter you get some are fixed in place and you just dlip to them, some are removable, you will hold that so that it is closer to the SE than it is to you but in between you so you can point and touch the diagram but the SE is looking at it.  You will not be docked any points for using the lesson presenter, and as the old saying goes a picture pains a thousand words, if you can describe meet cross and over take without the diagram then you would get both yourself and the SE confused...

There are several very good ones on the market, the on from Ideas4ADIs is good but so are some of the others, i bought several and tend to use the ideas4adis one most. Some companies i know do provide their own, and when i was training with one company i took one look at their presenter, put it in my bag and its still there.  Even their trainer uses the ideas4adis one. 

Take a look at some of the online shops, see what there is and how much..You will use it for more than just the PST.


If you dont know any of the shops frop me a PM and i shall give you a list of about 8 that i have looked at and used, rather than post them here and give advertising.

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#10 28-09-09 21:59:58

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

You will need the lesson presenter for both parts of your part 3 exam, depending which presenter you get some are fixed in place and you just dlip to them, some are removable, you will hold that so that it is closer to the SE than it is to you but in between you so you can point and touch the diagram but the SE is looking at it.  You will not be docked any points for using the lesson presenter, and as the old saying goes a picture pains a thousand words, if you can describe meet cross and over take without the diagram then you would get both yourself and the SE confused...

There are several very good ones on the market, the on from Ideas4ADIs is good but so are some of the others, i bought several and tend to use the ideas4adis one most. Some companies i know do provide their own, and when i was training with one company i took one look at their presenter, put it in my bag and its still there.  Even their trainer uses the ideas4adis one. 

Take a look at some of the online shops, see what there is and how much..You will use it for more than just the PST.


If you dont know any of the shops frop me a PM and i shall give you a list of about 8 that i have looked at and used, rather than post them here and give advertising.

Thanks, I didn't realise that you should take a lesson presenter for both parts of part 3, so depending on what PST you are given, you then select the matching presenter for that PST

when should you take the presenter put, when you get in the car or before?

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#11 29-09-09 08:12:14

KevB
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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

With respect, you are currently studying for part 1.
I should concentrate on that rather than concerning yourself with distractions about part 3.

Your trainer will introduce you to some of what is expected on part 3 when you start the practical driving assesments for part 2, afterall, he should be putting those techniques required by the instructor on part 3 into play with you on part 2.

When your trainer decides you are ready to begin your part 3 training, he will introduce you to it, until then, study theory to best prepare you for the part 1 test.

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#12 29-09-09 08:13:59

jay666
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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

It sounds like you need a long talk to your trainer as you don't seem to know very much about the whole process. It is what you are paying a trainer for smile

Jay

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#13 29-09-09 08:14:52

jay666
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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

With respect, you are currently studying for part 1.
I should concentrate on that rather than concerning yourself with distractions about part 3.

Your trainer will introduce you to some of what is expected on part 3 when you start the practical driving assesments for part 2, afterall, he should be putting those techniques required by the instructor on part 3 into play with you on part 2.

When your trainer decides you are ready to begin your part 3 training, he will introduce you to it, until then, study theory to best prepare you for the part 1 test.


Thats exactly what i mean smile

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#14 29-09-09 17:42:30

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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

i just though that maybe i could get some briefing diagrams and dvds from ebay and just kind of practice for part 3, just the briefings, so by the time i am actually on part 3, i might be upto scratch say 50% already there and just need polishing up

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#15 29-09-09 19:52:03

jay666
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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

But part 1 ain't exactly a walk in the park so deal with that first because then part 2 is where it starts to get harder still then you should think about part 3 and you will have gained that 50% that you mention without even realising it. smile

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#16 11-10-09 19:07:32

Mars
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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Hi apples69,  You have had very good advice here, Part 1 and Part 2 form the basis for Part 3.   When you get to Part  3 your trainer, hopefully, will provide you with lesson plans, these form an aide memoir for you with real pupils and on your Part 3 exam.  Good lesson plans will have all the headings which are on the examiners marking sheet and maby a few more but NOT speeches...just brief headings listed in a logical order for the subject.

   If you find you do not get any (I know of trainers who do not use/supply them) I can easily email you copies of the ones my PDIs use, no cost to anyone except a little time.  My email add is on my web site.  

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#17 11-10-09 21:27:33

apples69
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Re: Can you take briefing diagrams into the part 3 test?, are these good?

Hi apples69,  You have had very good advice here, Part 1 and Part 2 form the basis for Part 3.   When you get to Part  3 your trainer, hopefully, will provide you with lesson plans, these form an aide memoir for you with real pupils and on your Part 3 exam.  Good lesson plans will have all the headings which are on the examiners marking sheet and maby a few more but NOT speeches...just brief headings listed in a logical order for the subject.

   If you find you do not get any (I know of trainers who do not use/supply them) I can easily email you copies of the ones my PDIs use, no cost to anyone except a little time.  My email add is on my web site.   

I've the taken the good avice I have received from the members here and am concentrating on my part 1, trying to get 95% on regular basis, before going for part 1 exam

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