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#1 04-08-09 20:57:01

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BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Plan to change in the autumn, the front runner is the new Polo.

But I would be interested in hearing comments about the BMW or the Volvo if anyone out there currently uses either of them, for tuition (or as their second car).

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#2 05-08-09 05:56:38

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

I was looking at the 1-series but decided against it because any car I use needs to double up as a family car and the boot size in teh 1 series is crap.  Made me laugh when I mentioned that to the salesman, 'but you can put the seats down to increase the space'  True, but where to the rear seat passengers sit then?  Makes you wonder where they find these salesmen sometimes!

Can't really comment on the Volvo or the Polo except that the C30 only comes in 3-door.

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#3 26-09-09 20:37:46

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

The new C30  has these figures;

  Diesel engines
  Power output
  Fuel consumption
  CO2

D5
  180 PS/400 Nm           
  45.6 mpg                 
  164 g/km

2.0D               
  136 PS/320 Nm           
  49.6 mpg                 
  151 g/km

1.6D DRIVe       
  109 PS/240 Nm           
  62.8 mpg
  119 g/km

1.6D DRIVe

start/stop       
  109 PS/240 Nm           
  74.3 mpg                 
  99 g/km




Petrol engines
  Power output 
Fuel consumption   
  CO2

T5
  230 PS/320 Nm           
  32.5 mpg               
  203 g/km

2.0
  145 PS/185 Nm           
  38.2 mpg
  177 g/km

1.6
  100 PS/150 Nm           
  40.4 mpg                 
  167 g/km

Further pricing and specification details
Full details, including prices and specification, will be released closer to the on-sale date. First vehicles are expected to be in showrooms and delivered to customers in early 2010.









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#4 27-09-09 08:02:18

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Just read a little review of the New Polo 1.4SE in what-car magazine, comparing it to all the current super-mini's. (fiesta, Clio, Ibeza, Corsa, Jazz, etc) It actually came out top. Usual Vdub strengths quality of materials and build, but strangely well priced and spec'd at £12,450 compared to the competition. Worth getting Octobers "What-car" if you're interested.

C30's are interesting for no other reason that they have a style that's different to everything else on the road and are something that bit different. BMW 1 series are just plain rubbish. They cling on doggedly to rear wheel drive which in a small car is a disaster space wise, bigger BM's are fine, 1 series is trying to be something it isn't and out prices the better competition to boot (well it would if it had one.. big_smile)

If you felt patriotic, you could always buy a Jazz, they might be Japanese in origin but at least they're built in the UK so you might be keeping some English chap in a job instead of a German, Frenchman, Swede, or Spaniard.....Just a thought.. big_smile


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#5 27-09-09 19:54:39

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

The Jazz is very affordable, I've driven one. The resale value is as good as it gets. One of the main attractions of the Volvo is that they ARE different; with the new model out early 2010 I'll be able to get a good deal on one in say December [always a good month to swap]. No one has a c30 as a tuition car in my area; no one has the new jazz either and its goes without saying that nobody has the new polo yet. win win.

Just to convince some of you I'm mad. The Volvo comes in an amazing colour, Gecko green. I've considered getting the Jazz in that Pink colour.


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#6 28-09-09 08:18:42

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

I quite like the idea of a "Geko-green" C30, though "Passion Red" is a better colour

Go for it, you know you want to... big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile


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#7 02-10-09 19:30:04

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

BMW 1 series are just plain rubbish. They cling on doggedly to rear wheel drive which in a small car is a disaster space wise, bigger BM's are fine, 1 series is trying to be something it isn't and out prices the better competition to boot (well it would if it had one.. )

Dave-san I know a woman who is gunning for you.  big_smile

Sophie old Volvo C30 = Ford focus with a different badge. Whats the deal with the new one? Any pictures of it?


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#8 02-10-09 19:40:54

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Hi Hector

try this;

http://jalopnik.com/5354421/2010-volvo- … l-back-end

What's wrong with the Focus underpinnings [if thats the correct word] it handles well.


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#9 03-10-09 07:23:55

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

BMW 1 series are just plain rubbish. They cling on doggedly to rear wheel drive which in a small car is a disaster space wise, bigger BM's are fine, 1 series is trying to be something it isn't and out prices the better competition to boot (well it would if it had one.. )

Dave-san I know a woman who is gunning for you.  big_smile

Why, what have I said? 1 series is cramped, and old fashioned and expensive by comparison to most modern small cars. Jazz is cavernous and much more versatile by comparison, and more reliable according to J.D.Powers. C30 is arguably a more individual and better looking car. But you pays ya money and you makes your choice.


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#10 03-10-09 08:10:02

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.


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#11 03-10-09 09:16:28

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

fiat 500....sub zero yikes you got me there DD lol

Do agree about jazz; polo[i am test driving tomorrow] & c30.

Lets see what Nigel thinks big_smile


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#12 03-10-09 09:28:33

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Lol..

Fiat 500 is deffo sub-zero, everybody hates em, so I like em..If somebody said to me when I was 18 you can have a Fiat 500, I'd have thought I'd won the lottery, great little car. Maybe just not an ideal training car.

Jazz come in some great colours..


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#13 03-10-09 10:00:27

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

I love that pink jazz, if bought as training car i might loose 25% of my clients [boys] well perhaps all but 2.

Oops, sorry if thats not a Pc comment.

Know a B$M guy who said " the fiat 500 was the last straw", he's going inde big_smile


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#14 03-10-09 11:46:31

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Vw golf GT TSI 122 bhp, its the sensible chioce and in a different league to the others mentioned here. Diesel is dead. or get on the waiting list for polo TSI!

trouble is they are like gold dust, the germans cant build em quick enough, and after we beat wolfsberg 2-1 they have all gone into depression and the waiting list has gone up.

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#15 03-10-09 13:58:09

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Golf TSi 1.4, 122bhp = £19,245 vs Polo 1.4 SE = £12250

That's £6995 cheaper...That's almost a spare cars worth, ( I'll draw a number 6 on the gear knob) clear win for the Polo.. big_smile


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#16 03-10-09 19:03:35

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

The Polo, without a doubt. Definately.


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#17 04-10-09 15:09:32

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Well I've driven the Volvo and its OK as a car but its not the car for me. Tiny boot [thought the yaris was bad this is no bigger]
If you put a full size spare in, even less. Volvo cannot supply steel wheels. Speedo not visible from instructor's seat until 40/50mph. Didn't like the shape of the mirrors bit like a 207.

I sat in the new polo; full size steel spare in the significantly larger boot, speedo on right of rev counter so clearly seen from 'our' seat.

So Polo back in front.


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#18 04-10-09 15:44:06

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

So Polo back in front.

Get one ordered in "Savannah Yellow!"... big_smile big_smile big_smile


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#19 04-10-09 16:31:38

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

hoylakeyaris wrote:

So Polo back in front.

Get one ordered in "Savannah Yellow!"... big_smile big_smile big_smile

Ok and I'll rename my business "driving me bananas SOM"  big_smile big_smile

That'll go down like a lead balloon up near Edinburgh lol lol


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#20 04-10-09 16:39:53

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

No worries, in Edinburgh yours will the only car that's moving anyway, the rest will be up on bricks.. big_smile :evil:


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#21 13-10-09 05:58:18

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Heres the one the salesmen wont be talking about as they sell the aeging 1.2 and 1.4 petrol and clattery new underpowered 1.6 tdi.With the 3 cylinder bluemotions to come (3 cylinder petrol and diesels, no no no) 

The 1.2 TSI, 6 speed turbo, 9.6 seconds 0-62, 51 mpg combined, out in January if you can get one. 8-)

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#22 28-10-09 16:54:44

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Had a look @ the Polo in Stoke and Stafford.  Wasn't really mega impressed, looks OK but needs big alloys to look really good! 

I joked with the sales guy "they need to put the 2.0 TDI in this!"  He laughed - "it'd pull the wheels off" was his response.......... errrrrr....... sounds like it'd be just about quick enough to me.....esp in 170bhp form, oh well........

1.2TSI sounds interesting.

Bonnet release is stupid, cannot be opened without the door been opened....not good on hard shoulder!  Just not good.....must be a reason!

Looks well built, don't like the sound of any of the 3cylinder.....my First Skoda had the 1.2..........got by, but needed to be worked hard, therefore poor economy! 

What is it with underpowered cars?  How can they be eco?  Anyways....  Not my first choice anymore.....Dream car Golf, likely next to be a Old shape Fabia VRS still in BLUE!  bring on the leather.....can't find one with heated seats though!


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#23 28-10-09 20:34:05

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Iain are you mad :? polo is a beauty, a mile ahead of the competition. Built to different quality than the 'normo' brands. The saleswoman over at Stoke was particulary impressive too  tongue

2.0 diesel no good in small cars just noisy, 1.6 horrible, all the current petrols are nails... 1.2 TSI!


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#24 29-10-09 09:16:52

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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Had a look @ the Polo in Stoke and Stafford.  Wasn't really mega impressed, looks OK but needs big alloys to look really good! 

Bonnet release is stupid, cannot be opened without the door been opened....not good on hard shoulder!  Just not good.....must be a reason!

Been for a little look and I thought exactly the opposite. Another step up in the quality over the previous model, materials used on the interior are very nice, dash is made from nice "soft touch" materials as good as the golf, way better most small cars. Lovely clear instruments, speedo easily viewed from passenger side, well spec'd, with a few more cubby-holes for odds and ends. Split level boot will full size spare. Really nice touches like the handle on the boot lid being invisible, you simply push the VW badge. Std, alloys are nice enough, bigger would look better, I think they add around £380.

Bonnet releases have been like that for years on Vdubs. Not quite sure I understand you point about the hard shoulder, you have to open the door to exit the vehicle at some point.

Unusually for Vdub, the price is going to be a big selling point. It's priced very well compared to the competition. The only reason you'd possibly not want to buy one would be price, looks like that's changed.

Fiesta Zetec, 5 Door 1.4 096 5 Speed  £13,695.00

Corsa Sxi, 5 Door 1.4, 5 speed £13,945

Polo 1.4 SE, 5 door , £12,450.00

I have a sneaky feeling the 1.4 SE is going to sell by the bucket full, TSi looks like it's going to be the car of the range, economy of a 1.2 but performance close to that of a 1.6 petrol. Price will be the thing on that one.

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#25 29-10-09 12:12:49

hector
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From: Manchester
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Re: BMW 1 Series; Volvo C30; 2009 Polo.

Fiesta Zetec, 5 Door 1.4 096 5 Speed  £13,695.00

Corsa Sxi, 5 Door 1.4, 5 speed £13,945

Polo 1.4 SE, 5 door , £12,450.00

Only a mad dog would plump for the Fiesta or the truly hideous horrible abysmal awful woeful Corsa. When sale time comes the Polo is worth big bucks the others small bucks = No contest.

What you are not factoring in though dampdog is the 80% discount, 10 years free insurance and 25 year 0% finance on the Corsa big_smile


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