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#1 22-07-09 16:57:17

joeybaker1984
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How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Hi,

Just looking for a good way to explain turning offside/nearside at junctions?
I'm having trouble trying to put together a decent explanation that is assured and confident.

Any help would be great?

Thanks

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#2 22-07-09 17:17:08

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Diagrams?


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#3 22-07-09 17:24:17

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

I tend not to use "Nearside/offside" it just confuses. Passenger side - Driver side, they know what you're talking about then, as adiNigel's said a couple of nice clear diagrams. If you get the chance early on while you're still doing the drive home, show them.


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#4 22-07-09 17:45:22

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

I use two toy cars and show them each method. Just out of interest, when was the last time any of you turned offside/offside? I can`t ever recall a junction where I was able to do that.


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#5 22-07-09 17:58:30

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

I knocked this diagram up while doing my lesson plans prior to part3, you're welcome to use it if it's of any use.
(You'' need to click on it to see it full size)

See later post


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#6 22-07-09 23:08:39

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

I use two toy cars and show them each method. Just out of interest, when was the last time any of you turned offside/offside? I can`t ever recall a junction where I was able to do that.

Hi Des,
You need to turn offside at the Holywood Rd/Belmont Road/Pims Avenue Junction

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&sourc … 1&t=h&z=19

..A brilliant junction for learners, as its a crossroads with 5 roads. Just love their face as I instruct them to take the "2nd left turn at the lights" aproaching from belmont road.

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#7 23-07-09 08:10:19

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Jonny, I never even thought of that junction, so long since I have used it in that way.


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#8 23-07-09 12:21:27

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Jonny, I never even thought of that junction, so long since I have used it in that way.

Its actually one of my favourite junctions for teaching the pupils to actually think about positioning when turning right, in relation to where other traffic is intending to go.  If they dont think about where other traffic is going, its very easy to cause a bit of an obstacle of yourself.

Try it turning right into Pims avenue and you'll see my meaning, also try getting them turning right from Pims avenue into the 1way street Dundella Crescent.  It soon gets them realising not every junction can be done the same every time.

There is so much about that junction that just makes it a learners worst nightmare.

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#9 23-07-09 16:53:07

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Diagrams are fine, but what is the best way to explain why we turn passenger side - passenger side?
It's a natural for us to just do it unless road markings advise otherwise, however I'm looking for advice in explaining why it is better to turn passenger - passenger side rather then turning driver side -driver side.

Thanks

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#10 23-07-09 16:56:06

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Because the design of most junctions are too restricted to allow the safer driver-driver side otherwise you would be too far forward to turn?

#11 23-07-09 21:30:41

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Imagine crossroads on a junction controlled by traffic lights.  You and the 2 cars behind you want to turn right, and there are 3 oncoming cars turning to their right (your left).  If you try and go offside to offside, the 2 cars behind you block the path of the oncoming cars, and the oncoming cars block your path, and nobody can get round, blocking the whole junction.  If you go nearside to nearside, you turn in front of each other and the way for all the cars is clear.

Make sense?

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#12 23-07-09 22:18:56

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Hi
The only times i have seen offside to offside is when road markings tell you too.
Except the occasion when i observed an examiners face :cry: as his candidate turned offside around a line of cars on one of the busiest junctions in Newcastle;it was a picture tongue;i believe he walked back.
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#13 24-07-09 05:33:09

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Diagrams are fine, but what is the best way to explain why we turn passenger side - passenger side?
It's a natural for us to just do it unless road markings advise otherwise, however I'm looking for advice in explaining why it is better to turn passenger - passenger side rather then turning driver side -driver side.

Thanks

And using diagrams (or toy cars) will show how offside to offside can give better visibility of what may be oncoming.

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#14 24-07-09 07:08:24

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Dave if i used your diagrams and turned right like that I would be killed or seriously injured for sure  big_smile   yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes


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#15 24-07-09 07:17:57

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Dave if i used your diagrams and turned right like that I would be killed or seriously injured for sure  big_smile   yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes

No worries I just pile em up neatly side of the road.. Plus you're one of the few who'd notice the junctions too small to do either method safely on the first diagram..  roll

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#16 25-07-09 09:54:24

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

Thanks guys, perfect sense now

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#17 14-09-09 12:35:25

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Re: How to explain turning offside/nearside?

offside to offside better view of on comming traffic
nearside to nearside blind peep and creep very slowly

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