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#1 29-04-09 20:46:12

MINNIE12
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HELP! failed part 1 two times

Hi ive just failed my part one for the second time on the hazard perception part. can any one give me advice on any technique for doing the HP. I am using the focus cd to practice and scoring in the 60's every time i practice. Any advice would be greatly received!

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#2 29-04-09 20:48:23

Aspyre
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

there is no trick to passing it.. you just have to sit calmly and click when any hazard appears, and again if it changes.

if your passing on the CD version are you very nervous when you take the real one??

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#3 29-04-09 20:51:35

MINNIE12
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

No, not nervous at all, im scoring really well on the theory part 96/100, just cant seem to master the HP.

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#4 29-04-09 21:03:26

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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

This was my bug bear too!!!  The advice I was given and would pass on to you was that we are presenting ourselves as experienced drivers to sit a test designed for novice drivers.  It could be that you are relaxed at home and clicking within the scoring window but in test situation nerves and early clicking may be playing a part, why not try clicking for your developing hazard and then a click again to make sure.  It is not pattern clicking that would result in the nasty zero!

I use the Focus Multimedia software and recommend and provide it to my learners, I think it's great value for money and does a great job to prepare you for the real test. 

I wish you the best of luck for your next attempt  smile 

Sorry just a quick edit:  Bearing in mind that you will be having to deal with pupils in the same situation futher down the line, what advice would you give them? 


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#5 29-04-09 21:36:07

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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Hi,

Here is some advice that has become a sticky on another forum although aimed at learners FLH have found it useful when qualifying for other classes of vehicles.

One of the many problems with the HPT not enough feed back.

The DSA can provide a detailed analysis of your performance and I have seen several such reports of how ADIs performed when the DSA required all instructors who had qualified before the introduction of HPT to the ADI qualifying exams.

In all cases it appears ADIs are able to predict the future as most seemed to click one or two seconds BEFORE the scoring windows opened on most of the clips, some did not repeat the click and thus scored zero on that particular clip.

I myself had to have three attempts at passing the "test" the pass mark for ADIs is 57/75 though, (53, 55) whilst many of my clients with little driving experience and had demonstrated to me that they were unable to spot a TREE blown down across the road or that a lorry had shed a lot of BRICKS across the road on the approach to a roundabout had achieved higher scores than my final passing score of 67/75. :shock: :shock:

What I tell all my pupils to do is when the hazard is spotted to click immediately and then twice more evenly spaced before it goes under the wheels of the camera car lol lol

This technique ensures that you will be clicking in the scoring window if you click a fraction too early (this is the only test I know of where you can fail for being too GOOD at it)

I have presented 100s of clients now and less than a handful have had to retake it, which I consider very good as I specialise in the elderly, learning difficulties and the disabled, don't worry about it as now you know how to "play the game" you will pass easily, I am sure. smile

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#6 29-04-09 23:33:12

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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

I found a technique that took into account the fact that I was consistently clicking too early.

I clicked 3 times when I saw a developing hazard I didn't just click once. When I clicked just once during training I often clicked too early. So, I found that a better tactic was to click more than once initially. I found I could get away with clicking 3 times initially, about 1 second apart. The I stopped. If I didn't nail it in those 3 then I probably hadn't got it at all so there was no point to just clicking away... that would just trigger the cheating algorithm. It worked for me... give it a try on your training program and see how you get on.

Yes, this technique worked for me too Snax  big_smile


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#7 30-04-09 13:24:53

mani
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Hi, click mouse when ever you  see something i.e if there is a car 2 cars ahead braking, you click your mouse as if you were driving a car then you would be checking your mirrors at that point, if there is a bend coming ahead look for the warning signs and at that point click the mouse once you have gone past the point click mouse again, that way you will be in the 5 or 4 bracket but the technique snax has mentioned is the way i did it too.  Hope this makes sense. All the best for your next attempt.

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#8 30-04-09 13:34:35

Luchell
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

See if this helps, I wrote this a while back but it's been found useful to some.

http://www.drivertrainingtoday.co.uk/fo … 878.0.html

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#9 07-05-09 13:10:04

shezhappy
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Hi

I have also failed part 1HPT twice the last one yesterday so I know exactly what it feels like.  The most frustrating is my theory was 97 and 98.   Anyway I have just literally forced myself to book for my third test before my confidence goes down the drain.  Reading the posts here have reassured me and I am glad I booked for a resit.  1 challenge I have though between now and then is practise. I use the FOCUS Software DRIVING TEST SUCCESS and am so familiar with the majority of them that I know exactly where the hazard is.  This means that everytime I practise I score quite high but I am not really learning anything new.  Any new pointers would be welcome

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#10 07-05-09 22:57:11

vito
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Hi ,
      It's not a shame failing HPT . I failed 3 times but passed 4th time 66/97 .
Try LDC - 602 videoclips .
    HPT is for testing you and your nerves . Don't worry you will pass anyway .
Btw I passed Part 2 a week ago and ' being perfect in HPT didn't help me at all ' .
   HPT is ' a part of the game ' for me .
I would never take any test if I wasn't well prepared and trained . I thought I had been but I have failed ... 3 times .
    Part 2 is also some kind of a game but much more realistic . You drive a real car in a real world .
My advice is simple . If you want to take Part 2 test you have to pass HPT first . That's all .
    As I look back at my notes I can smile now . ' Easy doesn't come easy ' .
After Part1 and Part 2 tests I can say I know my attitude . And when it comes to Part 3 test ... this is also a game
. If I want to win the game I have to be really very well prepared . Why ? To win the game . The Part 3 test is only the beginning ... to become a good driving instructor .
  Just my thoughts . Good luck .
                                              vito

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#11 13-05-09 16:25:28

MINNIE12
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Hi
thanks everyone for the help and advice, today was my third attempt!! finally I passed 95-theory and 61-hpt. I knew Id get there in the end!

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#12 13-05-09 18:30:14

c-way
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Congratulations  big_smile  onwards and upwards for part 2  wink  good luck with the rest of your training.


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#13 14-05-09 08:41:17

mani
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Congratulations, good luck for part 2.

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#14 14-05-09 13:06:59

shezhappy
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Re: HELP! failed part 1 two times

Congradulations I am due for my third attempt next week.  Goodluck with part two

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