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#1 27-04-09 14:44:30

PGA1832
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Speeding? - plus an extra £15

Just seen that it is proposed to add a £15.00 victim surcharge to speeding and other fixed penalty fines!!

Is the poor motorist not the victim of continual "backdoor" taxation?

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#2 27-04-09 15:35:45

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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

Hi
No, it is a voluntary tax, that is they have volunteered to be liable for it by exceeding the posted limits.

If you can't pay the fine, take your time!

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#3 27-04-09 16:02:27

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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

Pegasus, I have to agree with you, if motorists think they are being unfairly TAXED don't break the law by exceeding the speed limits.

Save TAX, don't speed!!


Try always to be honest in everthing you do.
Be an 'HONEST BUSINESS PERSON'
Gain respect in ever thing you do

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#4 27-04-09 18:33:50

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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

About time fines were increased.  But by £15?  It's pathetic.

Nigel


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#5 27-04-09 19:15:58

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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

I think it should be a bigger fine. If people didn't break the law in the first place they wouldn't have the problem! Yes no one is perfect but I get fed up of hearing how unfair such fines are  neutral

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#6 27-04-09 19:17:04

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When you break the law you have to take the consequences of your actions fifteen pounds seems to be a very small amount. To increase fines by when you think of all the people who are killed and injured beacause of speed related collisions for most people fifteen pound will make no difference to there attitude maybe 150 would but not 15.


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#7 27-04-09 20:09:49

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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

I am taking a different view.

Fines are fines. Tax is tax.
The courts have the power to fix the fine based on the offence and the offenders means and wealth.
Those fines are paid into the court system, wich take it's costs and the surplus goes directly into the government coffers.

Taxing an offence, if that is indeed what is being proposed, is non constitutional in origin and currently has no basis in legislation.

Mind you, that's not stopped new labour before.

Clearly, this is nothing less than the government attempting to collect monies directly, to recover it's own dwindling income.
Afterall, tax is payable before any other charges, so any tax to offence would be first collectable before any fines, which goes against one of the foundation principles of our penal system.

Seeing as tax collection is not governed by EEC regs, but penal covictions can be overturned by Brussels, I would assume this scheme has been dreamt up by someone trying to skirt around EEC commitments.

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#8 27-04-09 20:42:42

Disky
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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

nice response Kev, and i find that i agree with you on this one.

A fine is a fine,,,  if the justice system needs to review the levels of such fines,, then thats good,i don't disagree with that,,, but why call it a surcharge, when it is not.

If it were not for fines, then the country would be in a far more dire straight than it is now, instead of increasing the fines, i think we need to concentrate on getting "foreign visitors" to pay the fines that they receive, instead of ?????? back to poland then re-appearing 6 weeks later with nothing to worry about.  Before anyone has a go,, this happened to my wife when someone crashed into her (slow speed) this country is a shambles in all respects at the moment.

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#9 27-04-09 20:59:46

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I agree this country is a mess and that it might be slightly unfair that the goverment is taxing in a strange and not correct way but if it makes just one person slow down i think its a good thing.


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#10 28-04-09 22:28:42

Disky
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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

I agree this country is a mess and that it might be slightly unfair that the goverment is taxing in a strange and not correct way but if it makes just one person slow down i think its a good thing.

i agree,, if 1 life is saved, then it has my vote.

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#11 29-04-09 00:19:17

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Re: Speeding? - plus an extra £15

when speeding fines are £60+ (£400 if you go to court and the magistrates consider £400 is appropriate) how is £15 tax going to be a deterrent over and above the fine ?

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