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#1 14-04-09 20:22:58

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Double yellow lines?

Hi all,

Am doing moving and stopping for my check test but the only place to do this is an industrial estate with double yellows all the way around. Now ive been told I can still do the stopping part on the lines as long as I get the student to move away straight away(like picking up and dropping off) whats your thoughts? will the examiner view this ok?

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#2 14-04-09 20:40:09

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Re: Double yellow lines?

surely your going to be doing junctions as well?

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#3 14-04-09 20:48:11

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Re: Double yellow lines?

The stopping part of the moving off and stopping lesson should teach 'scalp', safe, convienient and legal place to stop.......do double yellow lines fit in with this?

Even if you only plan to stop briefly what if the pupil is having a problem, will you core comp the fault while sat on double yellows or have a novice go through the core comps on the move?

Personally I'd stay well clear.

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#4 14-04-09 20:49:29

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Do something different. Or find somewhere different to do it.


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#5 14-04-09 20:49:59

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Re: Double yellow lines?

surely your going to be doing junctions as well?

Come on, its her second lesson, she hasnt changed gears yet, get a grip! thanks for the help

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#6 14-04-09 21:01:55

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Re: Double yellow lines?

As far as check tests are concerned I am no position to give advice but why not drive her to somewhere more suitable?


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#7 14-04-09 21:35:18

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Re: Double yellow lines?

pinball wrote:

surely your going to be doing junctions as well?

Come on, its her second lesson, she hasnt changed gears yet, get a grip! thanks for the help

surely on 1st lessons you had her moving off and stopping even if it was only in 1st gear.
I think spending an hour on moving off stopping for check test is poor and the SE will want to see more.
If you choose to teach turn in road for example as check test they would want to see that done in the first half hour of the check test with something being re caped on for second half.

Maybe consider finding a different pupil for check test

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#8 14-04-09 22:47:48

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Double yellow lines are a waiting restriction. You may stop on them to load or unload or to pick up or set down passengers, you may not just stop on them and then wait to go again.

If you do your planned lesson in the place you have indicated you will fail your C/T.

Find somewhere else or take a different pupil and do a different lesson.


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#9 14-04-09 23:08:48

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Thanks for the feedback on double yellows, have the same views as you all but my trainer said this would be fine. Will take the student to a different area, wont be ideal but no double yellows there.

Thanks smile

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#10 14-04-09 23:43:59

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Who is your trainer??

#11 15-04-09 06:18:38

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Re: Double yellow lines?

You stop, youve parked! Unless your going to get out and leave your pupil on their own   roll Whoever told you that is a p r a t of the highest order.
There you go Snax just for you.


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#12 15-04-09 13:08:48

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Personally i think hectors post is quite fair, afterall, STP's trainer is quite happy for STP to crash and burn on a check test! I wouldn't be too happy for someone to advise me to take a check test knowing the subject/place/setup is gong to land me in it deep. Alarm bells are ringing if you can hear them!

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#13 15-04-09 18:45:11

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Re: Double yellow lines?

I think Mr Dawson summed it up rather well.  He doesn't tend to post on here as often as he used to but when he does he is a lot more abrupt than he used to be.  No-one is left in any doubt what he means though! big_smile

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#14 15-04-09 19:53:03

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Find somewhere else or take a different pupil and do a different lesson.

Or, if you have pupil problems, why not do role play?


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#15 15-04-09 21:25:45

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Yeehaaaaa!!! Got myself a pass on my first check test, sooooo relieved! smile

Took student to a different area(not ideal), no yellows, did moving and stopping recap with mirrors,signals and gears, worked a treat.

Thanks to all who confirmed my worry about stopping on the yellows, Cheers

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#16 15-04-09 21:33:03

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Hi
Well done. smile
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#17 15-04-09 21:46:08

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Congratulations smile

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#18 16-04-09 04:12:57

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Firstly, very well done stp.

adi wrote:

Personally i think hectors post is quite fair, afterall, STP's trainer is quite happy for STP to crash and burn on a check test! I wouldn't be too happy for someone to advise me to take a check test knowing the subject/place/setup is gong to land me in it deep. Alarm bells are ringing if you can hear them!

I totally agree... the advice might be wrong or highly misleading. That doesn't make the person that said it a total D.I.C.K.

People should concentrate on what is said and not make personal and insulting comments about the person that said it. The person that said it might have been the OPs best friend... the what hector said was not commenting on what was said... he was insulting the person that said it... a huge difference. The first is OK and encouraged on any good forum... the second is not.

Whether the person is stp's best friend or not he is a trainer and a trainer shouldn't be coming out with this sort of thing.

Nigel


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#19 16-04-09 08:45:49

Aspyre
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Re: Double yellow lines?

hold on.... it was a trainer who came out with the D.I.C.K (changed to P.R.A.T) comment wasnt it?? without knowing the facts... so just having a poke??

One rule for all is it??

Actually the word "trainer" wasnt mentioned until now.. It was just "some one" who had said stopping on yellows was OK.

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#20 16-04-09 09:23:44

Doc
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Re: Double yellow lines?

Thanks for the feedback on double yellows, have the same views as you all but my trainer said this would be fine. Will take the student to a different area, wont be ideal but no double yellows there.

Thanks smile

Firstly, well done to you stp for changing your plan slightly and doing enough to pass your CT. I hope you don't mind me asking, but what grade did you receive?


Secondly, i agree that it is concerning that a trainer gave this sort of advice. hector's choice of word could've been different, but how many people here are thinking the same? Perhaps hector responded out of passion whilst in shock of what he was reading. A minor slip in someones character, no more-no less, but let's not place that rope around the tree branch just yet. That advice, if given by a PDI on their part 3 or an ADI on check test, would result in a definite fail. There are no doubts in my mind, this person should not be in a position to train anyone until he has proved he can do the job fully and properly. I don't necessarily blame the trainer though, but the person responsible for putting trainers in place seriously needs looking at.

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#21 16-04-09 10:02:14

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Personally, I think Hector's a dog and we should use the rope he's given us to hang him!


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#22 16-04-09 10:21:42

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Re: Double yellow lines?

Johnny your just bitter and twisted, I bet your heart sunk when Ronaldo unleashed that 40 yard excerset missile, you truly realised then the quintruple is becoming a reality, and Liverpools cabinet will be empty again. At least you can concentrate on the league  big_smile

What a superb European performance, with Rio back simply unstoppable.


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#23 16-04-09 10:25:01

VandADI
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Re: Double yellow lines?

Please guys, lets not make it personal eh?

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#24 16-04-09 11:03:30

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Re: Double yellow lines?

If you go to Galashiels driving test centre you are instructed to pull up on the double yellow lines outside the test centre. None of the candidates ever fail for parking on the double yellow lines at the start or end of the test.

The lines were painted on at the request of the DSA to keep the area clear for tests.


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#25 16-04-09 11:08:38

Doc
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Re: Double yellow lines?

If you go to Galashiels driving test centre you are instructed to pull up on the double yellow lines outside the test centre. None of the candidates ever fail for parking on the double yellow lines at the start or end of the test.

The lines were painted on at the request of the DSA to keep the area clear for tests.

That is a unique set of circumstances, which is DSA controlled and does not apply in general terms.

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