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#1 03-04-09 21:18:49

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QUERY?

Hi all

I am thinking about doing meeting/crossing/overtaking for my checktest but have been told also to add anticipation and awareness to this. My worry is that seems far too much to cover in your brief (6-8 mins). Do you have any advice on what would be acceptable to cover as I feel meeting/crossing and overtaking would be more than enough to keep me busy.

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#2 03-04-09 21:44:03

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Re: QUERY?

Amount of time spent on briefing is dependant on level that pupil is at. Perfectly possible to all that and more with a very brief briefing  big_smile You can also do some of it on the move. All you really need sometimes is an outline of lesson plan following on from previous lesson.

It's a check test, not a part 3  big_smile


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#3 05-04-09 23:32:49

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Re: QUERY?

Hi, First, as above it is NOT a part III.
You will often see advice that the best approach is to perform a normal lesson that your pupil is expecting and thats fine.

However reading between the lines, is it that you are going for role-play ?

Either way with the doubts you are having I would suggest some training as this is your career and not to be toyed with.

As a side this training would also count for CPD.

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#4 06-04-09 07:59:26

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Re: QUERY?

As a side this training would also count for CPD.

Iggy

How can this be when the two groups that are working on CPD [ working and steering groups ] have not put any plan togeather yet ? So how can CT training [ though an excellent idea for the op, totally agree with this ] , be counted towards something that dosen't exist yet ??

Appologiesfor strying from the op, and good luck with your ct stp

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#5 06-04-09 09:00:44

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Hi Kevin I know where you are coming from, however if CPD does not exist why does the DSA give out CPD certificates at their conferences.

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#6 06-04-09 09:49:33

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I totally agree with you Iggy. But then they are DSA  and I would expect nothing less than double standards

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#7 06-04-09 22:02:30

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Re: QUERY?

Thanks for the replies. I am taking a student for my ct next week. The student I have in mind is new to these subjects so would need a full brief, practiced this with a trainer the other day, brief took about 14mins..ahhh. it was all a bit scrappy(lots of meeting situations, no cars coming, crossing path, no cars coming and no overtaking to be had, lots of anticipation of course) fixed a couple of faults the student had. If Im being honest I find that one a bit full on, think I would rather concentrate on meeting and crossing alone and throw in anticipation/awareness as I go(gave a brief on overtaking but could have used that extra few minutes for meet/cross) also I feel its alot for the learner to take on board in 1 lesson, what do you all think?

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#8 06-04-09 22:23:42

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Hi
All of the subjects you are covering involve lots of anticipation and awareness;so it cant be introduced later.You seem to be treating it as a PST;its not,its a check test.Dont give yourself too much to do and be prepared to change everything, if the pupil'cocks up the 1st roundabout for instance,do roundabouts instead.
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#9 11-04-09 22:35:55

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Re: QUERY?

Thanks for the replies. I am taking a student for my ct next week. The student I have in mind is new to these subjects so would need a full brief, practiced this with a trainer the other day, brief took about 14mins..ahhh. it was all a bit scrappy(lots of meeting situations, no cars coming, crossing path, no cars coming and no overtaking to be had, lots of anticipation of course) fixed a couple of faults the student had. If Im being honest I find that one a bit full on, think I would rather concentrate on meeting and crossing alone and throw in anticipation/awareness as I go(gave a brief on overtaking but could have used that extra few minutes for meet/cross) also I feel its alot for the learner to take on board in 1 lesson, what do you all think?

14 mins for a briefing is a hell of a long time.
The clue is in the wording briefing i.e keep it brief, would imgine the SE would nod off.

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#10 11-04-09 22:37:48

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KJS if it was not for the dsa you would not have a job and to be honest easiest way for check test is do remidial dl 25 issued


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#11 11-04-09 22:45:37

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KJS if it was not for the dsa you would not have a job and to be honest easiest way for check test is do remidial dl 25 issued

I think one big advantage of role play is that you don't have to be to concerned about the pretend pupild nerves.
Using the DL25 as a remedial lesson is a good idea as the SE will have shown you exactly what the problem areas are.
They also tend not to move away from these areas, unlike a real pupil.

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#12 11-04-09 22:47:33

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yes they tell you what too work on the n you just work on it like part three no worries of breifings or anything just need to spot and analize the faults u do that its really easy.


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#13 12-04-09 00:57:41

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Hi all

I am thinking about doing meeting/crossing/overtaking for my checktest but have been told also to add anticipation and awareness to this. My worry is that seems far too much to cover in your brief (6-8 mins). Do you have any advice on what would be acceptable to cover as I feel meeting/crossing and overtaking would be more than enough to keep me busy.

Thanks smile




Thanks for the replies. I am taking a student for my ct next week. The student I have in mind is new to these subjects so would need a full brief, practiced this with a trainer the other day, brief took about 14mins..ahhh. it was all a bit scrappy(lots of meeting situations, no cars coming, crossing path, no cars coming and no overtaking to be had, lots of anticipation of course) fixed a couple of faults the student had. If Im being honest I find that one a bit full on, think I would rather concentrate on meeting and crossing alone and throw in anticipation/awareness as I go(gave a brief on overtaking but could have used that extra few minutes for meet/cross) also I feel its alot for the learner to take on board in 1 lesson, what do you all think?


Hi STP do me a favour and pm me otherwise your check test is going to go upside down, I will send you some info or you can phone me. This is not a part 3. Ev

#14 12-04-09 13:23:08

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Re: QUERY?

James (STP) you said on the 6th that it was next week, have you spoken to someone about your CT yet ?

Because as above, you may be heading for a fall if you follow the path of trying to provide a full Pt III test session.

Or at least defer your CT until you have taken some advice or training.

As above by all means PM me or call me for a chat - you are to far away for me to offer training, but always willing to help on the phone.

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#15 13-04-09 13:27:39

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Re: QUERY?

I agree with the previous posts that you seem to be setting this CT up similar to approaching your part 3. If you set out your aims and objectives too high then there is every chance you will only disappoint your pupil and as a direct result may find yourself struggling to get a decent grade. Set your aims lower and move on if time allows. For example plan for a meeting lesson only and work solely on that until either the lesson ends or your pupil has met the challenge, then in which case you can introduce another topic, such as crossing. Even if your pupil does not manage to master crossing it will be irrelevant to your CT result as you will have already met that objective.

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#16 13-04-09 19:45:05

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Re: QUERY?

KJS if it was not for the dsa you would not have a job and to be honest easiest way for check test is do remidial dl 25 issued

Ouch. I feel like i've just been slapped !

Can you please explain how it is that I owe my livelyhood to DSA ? From where I'm sitting all I get is the feeling that they are trying to put me out of buisness.

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#17 13-04-09 19:54:52

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i Would like to say sorry for that horrible post that you read of mine it was out of order i did a remedial lesson dl 25 issued for my check test and it worked o.k for me just spot fault analize and fix it with remedial plus u get the bonus of looking at the sheet and having a good idea of what the fault would be before it happens. once again sorry for thta reply i can see why u feel like you have been slapped. sorry


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#18 13-04-09 20:06:04

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Re: QUERY?

Right! you're all scaring me now!  Have just got the date through for my first check test (nearly 3 years after qualifying) and tbh I'm verrrrrry scared.   I'm still unsure which pupil I'm going to take - but dont want to do role play as Im not good at "pretending" - so therefore Im not sure what the lesson will be until nearer the time (June!!), what should I be looking for pupil wise - obviously dont want to take anyone who's going to lose the plot, but any other advice????

thanks
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#19 13-04-09 20:13:07

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Re: QUERY?

SMILE just do a normal lesson.. Make sure you pick up faults and use the core comps, and change the lesson plan if some thing you didnt expect happens.

As soon as you start trying to manipulate the outcome by worrying about the pupil you take your into trouble teritory.. The more things the pupil does wrong the more you can shine by dealing with it as you would on a lesson.

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#20 13-04-09 22:25:41

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Re: QUERY?

i Would like to say sorry for that horrible post that you read of mine it was out of order i did a remedial lesson dl 25 issued for my check test and it worked o.k for me just spot fault analize and fix it with remedial plus u get the bonus of looking at the sheet and having a good idea of what the fault would be before it happens. once again sorry for thta reply i can see why u feel like you have been slapped. sorry

apology accepted

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#21 13-04-09 22:30:01

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There is nothing to be scared of Smile, it's just another day at the office for you. The DSA are not out to get you, they only want to see what kind of service you are providing to your learners. If it is of an acceptable standard, you will be graded accordingly (4-6) and if it isn't, you will be graded accordingly (1-3). Either way you will be given whatever advice the examiner feels you need and it will be up to you to maintain or better your service until the time of your next CT. If after 3 years you are not teaching appropriately then it's in your best interest to be made aware of this so that you can set about the task of taking up whatever extra training you require. Most instructors -once qualified- settle into their own way of practice and the CT is their only way of finding out if it is correct or not. You -on the other hand- have not, you have been active on this forum and have no doubt been pushing yourself in the right direction and that is what will spur you on for your CT and career. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be here.

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#22 13-04-09 23:02:22

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Re: QUERY?

Right! you're all scaring me now!  Have just got the date through for my first check test (nearly 3 years after qualifying) and tbh I'm verrrrrry scared.   I'm still unsure which pupil I'm going to take - but dont want to do role play as Im not good at "pretending" - so therefore Im not sure what the lesson will be until nearer the time (June!!), what should I be looking for pupil wise - obviously dont want to take anyone who's going to lose the plot, but any other advice????

thanks
Ginny

Just take a pupil and do the lesson you should be doing with them. If they lose the plot you'll have plenty to work on and keep you busy. The hour will fly by. The requirements for C/T are very simple really, work on the faults the pupil commits. If the pupil is making a lot of mistakes, so what, just work on them. Don't try and put on an act or take a pupil you've primed especially for the C/T. Just be yourself. If you can't do it after three years your in the wrong job  big_smile big_smile big_smile I mean that in the nicest possible way  big_smile big_smile big_smile Just be yourself and get on with teaching your pupil. Many ADI's do badly on C/T as they try to stick too rigidly to their preconceived plan, just work with whatever happens.


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#23 13-04-09 23:06:53

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Yes just do what you would do in a normal lesson make sure you use all the core comps fault id analysis and remedial action and try and relax about it its not as stressful as part three.

#24 13-04-09 23:18:05

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Re: QUERY?

BTW If your really nervous about the C/T why not drop a pm to one of the more experienced instructors on here and have an hours assessment with them. Must be somebody on here local to you, sure they could put your mind at ease.


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#25 14-04-09 08:14:01

kjs
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Re: QUERY?

BTW If your really nervous about the C/T why not drop a pm to one of the more experienced instructors on here and have an hours assessment with them. Must be somebody on here local to you, sure they could put your mind at ease.

I found this most helpfull for my last C/T.

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