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#1 07-03-09 09:31:20

johnnyfr
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ADI Gradings

Just thought I'd share the info...........

After my recent grade 6 success, I thought I'd find out exactly how many others there are out there.
So I asked the DSA:

Grade 1 - 0%
Grade 2 - 0.09%
Grade 3 - 0.76%
Grade 4 - 51.32%
Grade 5 - 31.03%
Grade 6 - 5.99%

Ungraded - 10.81%
PDIs - 65534

Strangley, if you believe everything you hear at my local DTC, there are a lot more than 5.99% who are Grade 6.
Funny that.

The Freedom of Information Act is a wonderful thing.


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#2 07-03-09 09:40:38

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Re: ADI Gradings

Interesting, but you missed one figure, the number of ADIs. Was that available?

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#3 07-03-09 09:49:31

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Re: ADI Gradings

Stupidly, I didn't ask that. I only asked for percentages.

However, as at 31 May 2008 there were 43,946 ADIs.

5.99% = 2362
(Most of whom seem to work in the Southport area)
(and do 60hrs per week)
(and have a 90% pass rate)


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#4 07-03-09 09:56:55

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Re: ADI Gradings

Not bad for them then on £78k    big_smile

Now it will be 2363. What YOU going to do with YOUR £78k?

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#5 07-03-09 10:57:51

Loopy Lou
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Re: ADI Gradings

PDIs - 65534

*picks jaw up off of floor*  yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes

Did I read that right? That's sixty-five-and-a-half THOUSAND PDI's  yikes

I need a cup of tea...


It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful...

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#6 07-03-09 11:14:46

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Re: ADI Gradings

less than 4000 will pass though.. then a large percentage of them that do will fail at business level.. Most of those left who survive will be part time.

Its nnot quite as bad as it looks.

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#7 07-03-09 11:25:30

Loopy Lou
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Re: ADI Gradings

less than 4000 will pass though.. then a large percentage of them that do will fail at business level.. Most of those left who survive will be part time.

Its nnot quite as bad as it looks.

I know that most drop out/don't make the grade but still, I'm shocked at that number. I thought the figure was less than 30,000.  yikes

65,534 people of whom say, 60,000 don't make it...what a waste of a LOT of money ('cos they've all spent something even if all they do is the initial application)  sad

Certain organisations must be laughing all the way to the bank...   roll


It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful...

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#8 07-03-09 11:44:30

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Re: ADI Gradings

The adverts say that you only need a Full UK Driving Licence and no other qualifications.........Oh really then how come so many don't make it.

I am afraid you have to have a bit more upstairs then just being able to drive. Sadly a lot of the people are the gullible who are sucked in by the marketing.

How many of those that don't make it could get a job earning (supposedly £30,000) in any other field.

They need to grab the whole situation by the balls and be honest with people. Ev


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#9 07-03-09 11:52:46

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Re: ADI Gradings

Certain organisations must be laughing all the way to the bank...   roll

I presume you must be referring to the DSA. Is it any wonder that they show no interest in capping the register?

percy


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#10 07-03-09 12:19:30

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Re: ADI Gradings

johnnyfr wrote:

PDIs - 65534

*picks jaw up off of floor*  yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes

Did I read that right? That's sixty-five-and-a-half THOUSAND PDI's  yikes

I need a cup of tea...

That's right:

"Our records show that we currently have 65,534 potential driving instructors (PDIs) registered."

25th Feb 2009


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#11 07-03-09 12:21:31

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Re: ADI Gradings

but most won't ever be adis

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#12 07-03-09 13:20:04

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Re: ADI Gradings

Can you imagine the daft offers we'd see if they did all qualify?

"First 10 hours - I'll pay you £10ph just for the privilege of working"


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#13 07-03-09 14:26:36

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Re: ADI Gradings

the number of pdi's is pretty much irrelevent.
A large number within that figure dont even progress to part 1, but presumably (??) because they never passed part 1 they remain on the register forever.

                                     2002/03    2003/04      2004/05       2005/06      2006/07      2007/08
Initial Applications             16,819      22,330        23,942         21,574        19,849        15,323


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#14 07-03-09 21:15:41

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Re: ADI Gradings

it also doesnt allow for # of adis dropping off thru retirement or failed business.. more and more are failing.. recesion acts a bit like a culling exercise.

the only number that matters is how many adis are after the same work as you over time... same area etc.

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#15 07-03-09 22:03:30

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Re: ADI Gradings

It's shocking to see that the highest percentage of ADI's are grade 4, the last report I saw a few years ago said that most ADI's were grade 5. Either standards are slipping or the ct is getting harder.

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#16 07-03-09 22:18:33

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Re: ADI Gradings

yes and of those its worrying to see how many are proud or releived to be a 4.

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#17 07-03-09 22:34:47

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Re: ADI Gradings

I agree.
Many times, I've have heard ADIs say they were "pleased to have got away with a 4."

Absolutely scandalous. I'd be suicidal!


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#18 07-03-09 23:25:23

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Re: ADI Gradings

to be fair a 4 is a 4 and nothing to be ashamed of as such.. but i agree about those who say they "got away with" a 4.. They shoulf d certainly aim higher.

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#19 09-03-09 15:15:01

Hale
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Registered: 26-06-05
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Re: ADI Gradings

I agree.
Many times, I've have heard ADIs say they were "pleased to have got away with a 4."

Absolutely scandalous. I'd be suicidal!


Thats a bit harsh!

My first CT was a 4 (i was relieved btw) second still a 4 but, i hadnt taught at all since last CT (SE said i could of got a 5 just took too long to get into it) So the next one, due this August i intend to get that 5 and any subsequent CTs i want to get that 6!!!
I expect a natural progression of my grade over time, i expect naturally to get better. I cant believe there arent more 6's


When i say STOP, I can only mean ONE thing!

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#20 09-03-09 22:03:02

walsh
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Registered: 29-02-08
Posts: 241

Re: ADI Gradings

I'm shocked by the arrogance of some on here.

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#21 10-03-09 12:48:25

johnnyfr
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Registered: 06-01-07
Posts: 228
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Re: ADI Gradings

Unless people haven't noticed, the country is going through a recession.
Despite what people may say, driving is a luxury - not a necessity like bread and water.
ADIs are going out of business. It is a fact.

For the sake of my family and my bank balance, I make it my business to try to be good at this. For that reason, since qualifying only 18months ago, I have already done numerous courses to better my knowledge and understanding of this profession and I have more planned for the future. I have also read extensively on the subject, as well as talking to much more experienced people than myself - all to try to improve myself as an instructor.

On the flip side, there are other ADIs who aren't bothered as long as they get their grade 4 every few years. The same ADIs who may possibly find themselves struggling soon. Who knows?

So
Hale, thank you for quoting me
walsh, thank you for being shocked by my arrogance

but, given the work I put into my check test and this job, I would have been suicidal at the prospect of being given a 4.


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#22 10-03-09 13:01:46

jonnmedds
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From: Staffordshire
Registered: 25-02-04
Posts: 154

Re: ADI Gradings

Couldn't have put it better myself Johnny, well said.

Jon

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#23 10-03-09 13:17:14

evanadi
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Re: ADI Gradings

Unless people haven't noticed, the country is going through a recession.
Despite what people may say, driving is a luxury - not a necessity like bread and water.
ADIs are going out of business. It is a fact.

For the sake of my family and my bank balance, I make it my business to try to be good at this. For that reason, since qualifying only 18months ago, I have already done numerous courses to better my knowledge and understanding of this profession and I have more planned for the future. I have also read extensively on the subject, as well as talking to much more experienced people than myself - all to try to improve myself as an instructor.

On the flip side, there are other ADIs who aren't bothered as long as they get their grade 4 every few years. The same ADIs who may possibly find themselves struggling soon. Who knows?

So
Hale, thank you for quoting me
walsh, thank you for being shocked by my arrogance

but, given the work I put into my check test and this job, I would have been suicidal at the prospect of being given a 4.

Damn good post Jon, better the effort better the result. What you say is true some people are just happy to tread water and remain mundanely adequate at their jobs. Ev

#24 10-03-09 13:38:51

Roadmaster
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Registered: 04-03-04
Posts: 5,670

Re: ADI Gradings

No amount of qualifications can guarantee you a grade.  It's down to one person's opinion one one particular hour.

No one can say either that a grade 6 is any better than a 4.
Grading is only important to DSA.   The vast majority of learners don't even know that there is a grading system.

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#25 10-03-09 13:45:07

hoylake
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From: Heysham
Registered: 21-09-07
Posts: 1,435
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Re: ADI Gradings

Two years ago qualified in may, three months later got my check test letter, so only four months after qualifying I took one of my half dozen clients to my check test. I had yet to take a candidate on their test. Anyone had theirs sooner after passing part 3?

At that time I was happy enough with my 4; if I got that now I'd be dissappointed.


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