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#1 13-02-09 09:56:43

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Improve yourself

Got recommended this after speaking to some DSA's members in a meeting in Leicester a few weeks ago,
and how we can improve ourselves and include this into a CPD.

Now I assume most of us know about this, but doesn't actually do anything about it.

When you send your pupils for a Test the faults recorded onto a DL25 are logged onto a computer and stored on a database at the DSA, regardless if they pass or not.
so you can imagine after a few months I think its easy (being carefull with words!) to "forget" where your instruction (if any) can be improved.

As a ADI (I think PDI aswell), you can access these records, and have them sent to you
This is done through the Operational Manager Information Department.

The records are run on a Financial Year (April - March)
to request the previous year(s) their e-mail is: omi@dsa.gsi.gov.uk
or call them (ORDIT Line) 0115 936 6502 (not sure why its the ORDIT department)
they'll only do requests by post or e-mail.

Hope this may be of use for any Instructor looking to improve themselves  big_smile


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#2 13-02-09 13:16:55

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Re: Improve yourself

Or keep a detailed record of your own, thus saving the ink on writing an e-mail.

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#3 13-02-09 13:22:09

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Re: Improve yourself

Or keep a detailed record of your own, thus saving the ink on writing an e-mail.

This will also be a more accurate way of tracking faults - the DSA database for recording faults is not the most reliable of methods, never has been, never will be, in my opinion!

spyder_steve - perhaps you mean the IRDIT department?( The Integrated Register of Driver Trainers)

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#4 13-02-09 13:48:31

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Re: Improve yourself

And if the candidate did not want the ADI on the debrief?
I'm not aware of anywhere on the DL25 that the candidate authorizes the sharing of the details with anyone, even their ADI. How does the DSA reconcile DPA with these requests?

There is a checkbox on the DL25 to say the ADI was present on the test, but nothing for the debrief, other than a tick box to say one was performed.

I keep all the driving test reports and have a system in place that correlates faults, so I can (and do) monitor performance.

Quite a number of my tests are recorded on 616 (civil service driving tests) and not DL25, and so this may be an issue for my stats as held by DSA anyway.

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#5 13-02-09 14:30:45

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Re: Improve yourself

This will also be a more accurate way of tracking faults - the DSA database for recording faults is not the most reliable of methods, never has been, never will be, in my opinion!

I agree, but a few years ago on my first check test it was quite obvious that the SEADI had been looking at my test stats and kept referring to them. It's still worth requesting a copy of what the DSA are recording, as it's your only way of checking on how the DSA themselves perceive you yourself as an instructor.
Although they are no 100% accurate they are not too far out.

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#6 13-02-09 15:33:48

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Re: Improve yourself

Hi adi,

That's interesting, because I printed out all my stats and took them along with me for my check test, along with lesson reports for the client I was using.

DTAM couldn't be arsed to browse either, and certainly had no interest in keeping them.

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#7 13-02-09 17:07:02

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Re: Improve yourself

When you send your pupils for a Test the faults recorded onto a DL25 are logged onto a computer and stored on a database at the DSA, regardless if they pass or not.

Test records only only kept on your file if your ADI licence number has been recorded,  ie. if you leave your licence in on test.
And under data protection SEADIs cannot access your file before a checktest without your permission.

A few years ago DSA sent out annual test analysis reports to ADIs, but they were so inaccurate  and DSA received so many complaints they stopped it.

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#8 13-02-09 21:01:54

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Re: Improve yourself

I don't know about inaccurate reports, but having received the last 2 years reports via email I learnt dilly squawt.

Without knowing all the individual times, dates, TC, examiner all the information, all I have is a list of total faults recorded.

If your really serious then keep a record for yourself, but to be honest I dont get paid enough for that.

Listen to the debrief, but nothings going to change the result, but you may learn certain trats with regards to pupils and certain problems that are only ever encountered on a driving test and will never occur during a lesson, it may help you prepare your pupils for a test more, but the learning is done during the lessons.

I do think its a good idea thou, as if someone has missed something then its may be highlighted.

I use a different method.

If they work the program and do the lessons and training I suggest most pass 1st time if not second. Others have their own agenda.


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#9 20-05-09 22:36:21

samds
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Re: Improve yourself

VandADI wrote:

This will also be a more accurate way of tracking faults - the DSA database for recording faults is not the most reliable of methods, never has been, never will be, in my opinion!

I agree, but a few years ago on my first check test it was quite obvious that the SEADI had been looking at my test stats and kept referring to them. It's still worth requesting a copy of what the DSA are recording, as it's your only way of checking on how the DSA themselves perceive you yourself as an instructor.
Although they are no 100% accurate they are not too far out.

On every CT I've done, the SEadi has told me he knows nothing about me except my name  (even the one who did my part 3)


How do the DSA expect to provide more information (star rating) to potential learners when they have so much trouble in recording correct details.  I have had a lot of test sheets with the adi number missed and errors like right reverse marked rather than left?




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#10 20-05-09 23:06:44

angleson
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Registered: 26-04-09
Posts: 55

Re: Improve yourself

When you send your pupils for a Test the faults recorded onto a DL25 are logged onto a computer and stored on a database at the DSA, regardless if they pass or not.

And under data protection SEADIs cannot access your file before a checktest without your permission.

I'm intrigued by this debate as I had a similar discussion at our DTC today.

Is it official that the DSA exclude SEADIs and DEs with the Data Protection Registrar with regards to grades and previous L-test results?

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