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#1 03-12-08 11:35:12

Carlos Fandango
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FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

After qualifying two years ago have just received my first check test appointment and it needs to be a fleet test as I went on to do the fleet qualification a month after getting my green badge.

I did get to do  some real life ORR work and have also delivered the Safed for vans course  but that was over 18 months ago so feel a bit rusty to say the least.

I have looked at some of the other posts on this subject and would like advice on wether to role play or not, any thoughts ?
I've looked at the ADI 1 document but it's seems rather vauge with regards to Fleet.

Also, when I was doing the risk assessment work I was using a lap top  for the ORR presentation that belonged to the company I was working through. I don't own a  lap top of my own, but hope to be able to borrow one for the test so could any one suggest any good sources for putting together a presentation? My first thought was to use the Safed one as a template but any other suggestions would be greatfully received !


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#2 05-02-09 21:08:06

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Hi Carlos

Have you had your Fleet Check test yet?


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#3 05-02-09 23:55:29

Carlos Fandango
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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

No I haven't,

I wasn't available for the first date , requested another role play check test and as yet have not a reply.

My gut feeling from what I have read is that this is slightly more uncharted waters for the S.E.'s. 

It seems a bit ridiculous that this will also grade my abilities as regards instructing learners.

I have taken on pupils who have been with instructors that must have passed numerous green badge check tests and there knowlage of even the basics was  appalling, so I don't hold the process in a high regard to start with.

I am a relative newcommer to this industry but must say that I have been very disappointed with the rather entrenched positions of the overseers and the deliverers......everyone looking over there shoulders for fear of ruffling the feathers of there respective camps.

Then....... you have the advanced driving........what ever that is ?????  don't get me started on that!

Wouldn't it  be nice to have  a concise, focused standard to deliver rather than the fudged amalgamation of views we have at the moment?

I honestly feel the whole thing is a !!!!!!!!  shambles, no wonder the general public stay away from 'advanced driving' in droves :evil:
Get some insurance companies on board with real premium reductions for advanced drivers...that would make people sit up and take notice !

Ultimately, we are all operating in an commercial environment in crisis and  it won't matter a toss if you are a grade 4 or a grade 6 will it ? we will surely stand or fall on how are pupils perceive us, as to the vast majority these classifications mean absolutely nothing !

May be a process of natural selection would be more appropriate ? dare we trust our customers to be that discerning????

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#4 06-02-09 10:59:53

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In the past if I haven't been available for check test I have found it can be a good wait for the next one to come through, so you might have some more time on your side. Your gut feeling that a Fleet CT is uncharted waters for SE's is correct. You only have to look at the number of Fleet ADI's out there to realise that the SE's are only carrying out Fleet CT on an irregular basis.

For the check test itself - on my last CT I took one of my new response driver trainees, as they had not yet started training with me I took them out a couple of days before my check test, I just observed, gave no instruction or guidance. This enabled me to get a 'feel' for his driving and set me up for the check test.

Presentation - spent a fair amount of time on this, fatigue was my chosen subject. When it came to my CT the SE didn't want to see my presentation!!  So from that you can deduce that the SE will want to see the core skills of fault recognition etc.  We turned up on the day in a sporty Skoda response car ( not allowed to make use of legal exemptions or blues and twos on a check test). Introduced the SE to Kevin my student, explaining that he was a new starter and for the CT I would be doing an initial assessment on Kevin to enable me to formulae a training plan. Usual stuff to start with, no previous lesson to recap, outlined to Kevin what was going to happen and what we were looking to achieve. Out then for a drive, careful not to over instruct, pulled over after a short drive to discuss areas that needed immediate improvement, then off again. At one point we were stopped at red traffic signals, the filter arrow came on for traffic to go straight on and Kevin set off to turn right!! 'STOP' was the command and he did. This incident actually worked out OK for me. Anyhow at the end of the CT we did a recap, gave Kevin some things to work on and practice before the next session. Looking forward to the next session I told Kevin we would be looking at the training plan for him that todays session would enable me to produce and that was it!

So my preference is not to opt for role play, however if you do the groundwork before hand role play will not be a problem. Your presentation does not have to be on a computer, you can laminate it and put it in a folder.

Last but not least and very important - consider phoning the SE well in advance of your CT, ask if he will want to see a presentation and any other questions you may have, remember the SE will probably not be too familiar with Fleet CT's and will welcome your call.


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#5 06-02-09 11:50:59

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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

If you want detailed advice on fleet c/t you would be better off contacting hector or one of the other trainers who specialise (amongst other things) in training for fleet c/t's.

Fleet c/t, especially role play, is outside the remit of most on here, but that will not stop some from giving "advice" which will probably lead to more confusion.

If you want clear concise guidance, take it from somebody who is a specialist. Throwing it open to public debate will only result in a plethora of different opinions. Many of them will be valid, but at the same time contradictory.


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#6 06-02-09 12:49:16

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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

Thanks for the advice all, and sorry for the rant   roll shouldn't post on hear after a dinner party and too much Glenmorangie  big_smile

Carlos

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#7 07-02-09 08:28:48

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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

Fleet c/t, especially role play, is outside the remit of most on here, but that will not stop some from giving "advice" which will probably lead to more confusion.

I'll just stay out of this discussion then. Tony knows best.

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#8 07-02-09 10:22:55

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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

Discuss away percy.

My advice to get answers from a specialist, does not preclude those answers being posted on here.


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#9 07-02-09 11:17:16

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carlos,

A "normal" fleet training session with a business client could take a whole day so it's obvious that you cannot cover all aspects of this training in such detail on a one hour checktest. For example (and typically), a full client presentation could take one hour so you should be ready to show the Examiner a 10 minute overview of what you have prepared. You do not need to create a unique presentation for the check test. Just use one that you use on a daily basis as you will be more familiar with its contents. The examiner will probably not require you to go through the vehicle check procedure but be prepared anyway.

Make sure you have a route plan.

Treat the examiner as a driver undergoing an Ocupational Road Risk Assessment. Ask him about his function in the company, what he normally drives, how long he has been driving etc. Explain why the assessment is taking place and what format it will take. Treat him as an adult and use your "coaching" skills as opposed to your teaching skills. Ask him to drive as he normally does and not how he thinks you want him to drive. Be prepared for any faults to be quite "subtle" and do NOT use the "see it, say it and sort it" approach. Bite your tongue and note down all aspects of his driving that require "attention" during the first part of the drive including any negative attitude he displays towards other road users. Most importantly, you need to be able to prioritise any faults made in order of "risk". These must be explained and discussed at the side of the road at the end of the first part of the drive. On the second part of the drive, concentrate on remedying these key risk areas. Mention any other points you noted from the first drive as the opportunity presents itself (and it probably will).

On my check test, the SE exhibited all the typical "shortcomings" of a normal fleet client. Poor use of mirrors, signalling before checking mirrors, following too close and poor anticipation/planning. At the end of the drive, give the assessment/debrief and get his agreement that he actually benefited from the training. (Before he comes out of role).

Regarding the overall format of the checktest, it can be found in the ADI 1 but I have copied it below for your information.

If an ADI is registered as a fleet trainer they must conduct a fleet check test. Where the ADI attends with a learner driver the examiner should offer to conduct a ‘fleet’ role play check test. The assessment of a fleet check test does not differ from that of a normal check test, however, the structure does. A fleet trainer may adopt the following delivery: (Examiners need to be flexible.)
• Deliver a short presentation on occupational road safety. This needs to be managed if doing a role play. Can be delivered either in the car or Examiners office.
• Provide a short overview on vehicle safety and familiarisation.
• Conduct a short driver profile. ( Lasts approx 10-15 minutes)
• Recap the main areas of weakness. Prioritising the more serious faults.
• Provide a remedy via coaching techniques.
• Recap the whole session.

In my case, the SE (DTAM) was an ex-BSM PDI who had failed his Part3 three times. Although this was worrying, he proved to be very friendly and professional. Based upon this personal experience, I would not discourage anyone for opting for role-play

Good luck on your check test.

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#10 07-02-09 11:24:25

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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

Hi Carlos, check out this thread, it ended up with a very comprehensive check test check list, I also have a 10min presentation if you want?

I took my presentation in a folder with the powerpoint slides in polly pockets, after slide 10, the SE stopped me asked if he could see where I was going with the other 3 slides, then said "very well done, now lets get to the important stuff", so the presentation is important, but the drive and tuition is more so.

I also made up my own marking sheet witch covered all aspects of the drive in a "tick box" layout, but also room to write down and categorise his/her main faults to discuss.

I went for role play, and when my next comes round, it will be role pay again, they only seem to have a certain amount of faults and stick rigid, an other driver has plenty more he might spring on you  roll  roll

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#11 07-02-09 20:29:49

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Re: FLEET CHECK TEST ADVICE PLEASE?

Hi Carlos

First of all with all these posts im completely baffled, how come you dont know the requirements for a fleet C/T? Having obtained a orange badge. Any decent course should thoroughly prepare you for this.

Other than that Percys post descibes what you need to do, its very straightforward. Remember Advanced driving isnt fleet! Its advanced driving and this would be covered by the normal C T. Fleet is occupational driving.

The best SE's know the score, trouble is you probably wont get an SE (No suit no SE) And the ex BSM PDI above baffles the hell out of me.

Everyone raves about certain fleet courses I wont mention, trouble is they should prepare you for a Fleet C/T! Pm me or any of the experienced fleet trainers on here for advice.

I would always focus and do a role play, as unless your client is an actual occupational driver requiring an improvement in his/her driving, its just really a normal CT, if you think about it. For example Speed awareness and NDIS isnt 'Fleet'. Some very experienced trainers have come unstuck traeting their client like a speed awareness client.


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