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#1 07-12-08 03:37:50

infectedcat
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SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

Limit      Fixed Penalty         Summons
20 mph     25 mph                 35 mph
30 mph     35 mph                 50 mph
40 mph     46 mph                 66 mph
50 mph     57 mph                 76 mph
60 mph     68 mph                 86 mph
70 mph     79 mph                 96 mph


So it seems going by the above ACPO Guidelines if you’re traveling at 35 it’s a fixed penalty notice and at 50 it’s a summons now im aware discretion is used or can be used but my question is this.....


Has anyone be flashed by a cam (or heard of someone) traveling at 50 to 55mph (or higher) in 30 and received 3 points on there license and a 60 pound fine?






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#2 07-12-08 15:23:23

Stephen7738
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

There are lots of people who have driven faster through speed cameras and still been offered fixed penalty tickets,as the "GUIDELINES" are only just that and after a review of the individual might be taken and a decision taken to offer the fixed penalty .

I do accept that at the time of the flash the camera is set at whatever threshold speed and does not have the discretion like a TO has when he fixes his laser onto a car and decides that he will allow a bit more,whether this is right or wrong thats how it is.  This is why I have no time for speed cameras as they just alienate the police further due to this.

Stephen

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#3 08-12-08 20:36:26

infectedcat
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

There are lots of people who have driven faster through speed cameras and still been offered fixed penalty tickets,as the "GUIDELINES" are only just that and after a review of the individual might be taken and a decision taken to offer the fixed penalty .

I do accept that at the time of the flash the camera is set at whatever threshold speed and does not have the discretion like a TO has when he fixes his laser onto a car and decides that he will allow a bit more,whether this is right or wrong thats how it is.  This is why I have no time for speed cameras as they just alienate the police further due to this.

Stephen

You say there are lots? Is that an assumption?

You mentioned a review of the individual? Do you mean that the dvla before issuing any points review the driver first (or it’s possible the dvla can review the driver b4 hand)? Do they not just issue you the points and if you think the dvla have done you over you can then take it further and only then is the individual reviewed (in court).

It seems that most people are only willing to read this subject and not share there experinces. I guess fear of owning up may damage there reputation on this site or maybe im way off target? Either way the only way we can understand a touchie subject such as speed cameras is to hear of ones experience.







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#4 08-12-08 22:31:28

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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

Hi
DVLA don't do anything initially, other than inform the ticket office of the local constabulary about any current points and your name/address for communication, it is the ticket office that is supposed to pick up on whether you can be issued with a FPT or require a court summons.
It has been known for the ticket office to miss the warning signs and for someone top finish up with 12 or more points without a totting up ban or even a NDA driver to have 6 or points resulting in a further offence being spotted as "should not still have a licence" I believe there have been a few of thses in the 10yrs since the NDA came into force.
Really, all DVLA do is keep the records and release them to whoever has a "need to know".

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#5 09-12-08 09:21:50

tony adi
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

As mentioned above the ACPO guidelines are just that, guidelines.

Not every force follows those guidelines.

The speed that triggers a speed camera also varies enormously from force to force and also from site to site. There are some cameras in 30 zones that will not be triggered below 45mph (many gatsos in London were first set at 43 in 30 zones and were only brought down to ACPO guidelines fairly recently). Because of these variations in tolerance there follows variations in tolerance as to when a summons is issued rather than a FPN.

So it's perfectly possibly to recieve a summons for doing 50 in one area, yet only get a FPN for doing 60 in another.

The DVLA do not issue speeding tickets. Most (not all) speeding tickets are issued through the newer "safety camera partnerships" structure. These follow ACPO guidelines quite rigidly. So while it is still possible that some areas still have greater tolerances than others, these are getting less and less. The likelyhood of "getting away" with a FPN for excessive speeding is therefore being reduced.


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#6 09-12-08 09:23:14

infectedcat
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

Hi
DVLA don't do anything initially, other than inform the ticket office of the local constabulary about any current points and your name/address for communication, it is the ticket office that is supposed to pick up on whether you can be issued with a FPT or require a court summons.
It has been known for the ticket office to miss the warning signs and for someone top finish up with 12 or more points without a totting up ban or even a NDA driver to have 6 or points resulting in a further offence being spotted as "should not still have a licence" I believe there have been a few of thses in the 10yrs since the NDA came into force.
Really, all DVLA do is keep the records and release them to whoever has a "need to know".


Ok so it's the police that review the photograph then its sent to the courts and the judge issues the driver wth the points.

DVLA stores the offence as well as other information, so the DVLA is a bit like a database.

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#7 09-12-08 09:29:37

infectedcat
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

As mentioned above the ACPO guidelines are just that, guidelines.


So it's perfectly possibly to recieve a summons for doing 50 in one area, yet only get a FPN for doing 60 in another.

This could be because thos roads that have less tolerance are roads that have high pedestrian death rates?

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#8 09-12-08 09:38:27

infectedcat
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

As mentioned above the ACPO guidelines are just that, guidelines.

Not every force follows those guidelines.

Well if that’s the case with speeding guidelines just think what the chances are of people who travel over 38mph in a 30 zone and get offered a speed awareness course rather than 3 points and a fine.

It seems those who are eligible for this type of course are people that have not gone over 38mph. But seeing as though there are different attitudes around the country then i guess the above eligibility only applies in some areas.

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#9 20-12-08 22:58:12

kev elliott
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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 3 DISCRETION

THis site gives some detail into the criteria for the 2 types of courses
Driver improvement and speed awareness.
http://www.driver-improvement.co.uk/

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