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#1 22-11-08 10:14:34

Lily-Anne
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HPT

I have a PDI who has sat part one twice.  His questions score and knowledge base is excellent, but first time on the HPT he scored 51, after being shut out of double clip for clicking too many times, second time was too scared to click and got 44.  I'm going to run through the hpt practice disc over the weekend, but, have you got any words of wisdom I can offer him.

We have had some pt2 practice and his driving is very good, it's such a shame he is being held back.

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#2 22-11-08 13:55:40

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Re: HPT

Probably clicking before scoring window is open. The HPT is set to basically lowest common denominator, remove brain, insert mars bar, score high big_smile big_smile big_smile


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#3 22-11-08 13:58:11

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Re: HPT

Remember as experienced driver we probably see a hazard sooner...and therefore clicking too early as tony said...this was my problem  neutral
DaftBlondeMode activated....scores increased dramatically  smile

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#4 22-11-08 15:52:37

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Re: HPT

DaftBlondeMode activated....

Lol... I didn't know you could turn it off! Where's the switch?

Seriously though, the "Focus" DVD is very good for HPT practice. I'd recommend giving it a try, as it very close to the real thing, think it's now abpout £8 form the likes of Morrison's and ASDA.


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#5 22-11-08 19:02:45

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Re: HPT

Remember that it's a reaction test, misnamed as a perception test.

It is often quoted that you should click when you would check mirrors, but the scoring window actually seems to open when a driver would either brake or steer in avoidance. We would have checked our mirrors in preparation much earlier, after spotting the "potential" for a problem, and reacting when the hazard develops.

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#6 22-11-08 19:30:38

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Re: HPT

Click when you see the hazard, then count to 2 and give a double click, thats how i done it, and never got bounced out for to many clicks wink


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#7 22-11-08 21:19:55

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Re: HPT

yup always a double click with 1 sec gap in between

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#8 23-11-08 13:49:02

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Re: HPT

Thanks guys,

I suggested the click pause click pause click pause, which worked for many.  I know he is feeling disheartened and I'm trying to bouy him up, the disc is a Focus one from the study pack I supply.  I've found it very good in the past.  I have told him that the hpt is aimed at learners who have a later reaction time, but can't really assess how it is for him on the day.

Any more ideas welcome

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#9 23-11-08 17:49:10

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Re: HPT

Hi LA
Nice to have met you.

I treat it as Hazard Prediction and not Hazard Perception.
You can't really improve Perception. That is God Given.
You can improve Prediction as it is logical guess work and what we do in real life.
You think there may be a hazard the click. You are ready.
The car is turning the corner- someone may step out. so click.
You follow this with a second click when it happens because you are ready and it is already triggered in your brain.

You are not clicking rhymically so you don't lose the frame, but you are clicking quite a lot.
Could be 10 times a frame. But it could be just 2.


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#10 25-11-08 12:17:55

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Re: HPT

Way I got to grips with HPT. Don't look at the road!!!!!! Watch the car and click when car begins to decrease speed. Then click again about 1 second gap then another click 2 seconds later. 3 clicks for each perceived hazard.
When you get the hang of the time frame then go onto trying to look at road etc.
Cheating ? no, just found it worked for me.
Cheating!! this actually works. Totally ignore what you see and put between 18-25 red flags in task bar without clicking arithmetically.

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#11 28-11-08 10:48:15

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Re: HPT

Am going to spend some time with him next week, as he is getting increasingly frustrated by hpt and I think the knock on effect of nerves from not passing is now adding to it.


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#12 28-11-08 12:34:42

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Re: HPT

I was a little more than frustrated with the Pt1 hazard perception test.
I passed on the 4th attempt (raised eyebrows all round) for various reasons.
1st attempt, missed by 1 mark.
2nd attempt, hard long day at work, was very hot and I fell asleep halfway through!!
3rd attempt, missed out by 2 marks.
4th attempt - got my act together!  Clicked for anything that moved and again if it developed further.

My point here is:
Mistake 1. I am an experienced driver and if a car pulls out in front of me I react appropriatly without thinking about it.
Mistake 2. I was just trying to be clever and only click on the relevent part of the clip for maximum points.
Mistake 3. Trying to squeeze the Theory test in during a lunch break.
Reason 4. I was working in a very fast paced print production environment where our daily workload changed by the hour. Change and reaction were a way of life for me and virtually all were just taken in my stride - it was my survival technique in order to get through the working day. Between taking my coat off and arriving at my desk in the morning, I would have phone calls on hold and questions being fired from all angles, phone calls during my lunch breaks if I had one, and after working hours up to 10.PM and beyond from colleagues AND suppliers who worked round the clock to meet deadlines, all trying to squeeze extra time on a job and I had to have answers and alternate options available before they were needed and I tried to apply this to the HPT.

Question element was never a problem and as far as I can remember, I never saw the same hazard clip twice, unless I slept through those!

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#13 15-12-08 17:50:12

mcculde
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Re: HPT

Lily Anne I strongly advise your PDI gets the FOCUS CD ROM if you haven't already. It has an excellent review facility and hazard window where your pupil can find out what his timings are like. Just put in mock test and review clips at end. If he is as good as you say I agree with the comments above that you will find he has clicked to early. It was similar to a PDI who is currently with me who was scoring low 40s high 30s prior to doing his part 1.

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#14 18-12-08 00:45:37

Lily-Anne
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Re: HPT

:cry: :cry: :cry:

He has failed yet again....

Having a whole day of HPT in Jan, definitely clicking too early.  But because he got freezed out on double click first time for over clicking he clicks early and then too late....

He has the Focus DVD as part of his study pack.  I offer free help with part one, so sleeves to be rolled up until he gains confidence.

LA


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#15 18-12-08 13:33:36

Zipper
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Re: HPT

...I treat it as Hazard Prediction and not Hazard Perception.
You can't really improve Perception. That is God Given.
You can improve Prediction as it is logical guess work and what we do in real life...

Hi John once again you get to the root of a problem and put it into words we can all understand.


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#16 22-12-08 15:02:56

Macca
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Registered: 01-11-04
Posts: 193

Re: HPT

:cry: :cry: :cry:

He has failed yet again....

Having a whole day of HPT in Jan, definitely clicking too early.  But because he got freezed out on double click first time for over clicking he clicks early and then too late....

He has the Focus DVD as part of his study pack.  I offer free help with part one, so sleeves to be rolled up until he gains confidence.

LA

If the Focus DVD isn't doing the job I recommend you look at the LDC disks. Excellent advice and a free HP test (without registration) is also available by linking to:

http://www.learnerdriving.com/Hazard-Pe … -test.html

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#17 22-12-08 23:10:38

skoolbus
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Re: HPT

Hi lilyanne

When i was studying for part 1 I was regularly scoring 69/75 on the focus dvd and passed the mock at TIC with ease. 

However when I done HPT on test day I watched the demo/instruction clip which altered my thinking/technique slightly and I got the red X on question 1.  I then reverted to my previous technique and was lucky to scrape a 57/75 pass.  You can skip the demo and if I'd of done this I feel I would of passed easier.  Maybe this demo is confusing your pupil on test day.

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#18 06-02-09 16:37:03

philb15
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Re: HPT

Hi, I passed my part 1 on the 4th attempt because I was having similar problems.  I used a few training DVD's and had every confidence in passing the HPT.  But, on the first test I was given 0 on 2 clips.  I wouldn't mind but one of the 0' was for clicking the mouse 5 times throughout the clip and not eratically.

Anyway, for my last test I found out that the scoring window appears much sooner than the Demo Clip shows.  I started to click the mouse as soon as the possible hazard appeared on the screen.  This may sound obvious but I'm talking about seeing the nose of a lorry appearing from the side of the clip before it turns the corner or makes any movements that would constitute being a hazard.

I suppose it should be renamed the PHPT (Possible Hazard Perception Test)

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#19 06-02-09 18:15:26

Lily-Anne
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From: Northampton
Registered: 21-05-07
Posts: 606
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Re: HPT

Still working on it, so thanks for your input.   Got some new material to work with, if the snow ever goes away!!

LA


http://www.centraladitraining.co.uk
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#20 07-02-09 00:08:16

Makem Drive
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Re: HPT

As multi-choice questions weren't around when I passed my car & HGV tests (HPT came later still) I was dreading that part of the part 1.

Although I did find the Focus HPT DVD good practice the quality was not as good as the real thing. I had been told to use click pause click for everything I thought was a hazard (12-15 clicks per clip) I found that using click pause click pause click on some of the hazards (the one most likely to develop) improved my Focus scores. Passed no problems 1st time

When I first started training I was asked to name some hazards apart from the obvious ones of snow & ice, numbtys pulling out in front of you etc. I couldn't think of any.
When the trainer started listing them it seemed that anything on the road WAS a hazard, anything on the path that could move WAS a hazard & everything else you could see could be a hazard. To me they where just situations you dealt with without thinking in the same way as you change in to the correct gear often not realising you have do it it's that automatic.

click once for potential hazards (parked car or pedestrian walking along pavement), click pause click for developing hazards (pedestrian walking towards the road or bus at bus stop with indicator flashing) & click pause click pause click one the might become a developing hazard (vehicle in side road heading toward the road you are on & appears to be going quite fast) because you may spot it far too early to hit the scoring zone.

PS watch out for the mouse click button not registering every time. In my test I'm sure that some of the clicks were missed by the computer because of a worn out mouse.

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