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#1 01-10-08 15:34:26

arsengod
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key instructor training

does any one know anything about KEY instructor training thre offering me the world to sign up with them as a pdi

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#2 02-10-08 10:34:10

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Re: key instructor training

Hi

I have also spoken to this company and been promised the earth. Any information would be gratefully received.

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#3 02-10-08 21:42:16

timmanwaringadi
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Re: key instructor training

Can't help you on specifics with this company guys, but if you can give us details of what you have been promised we'll be able to help you work out how much is true, how much is baloney and how much of it would need clarifying before you should hand over any cash.

Had a look at their site, which seems professional enough. They're Lancashire based, which means that if you're not from the area they may not be able to provide training when you need it. Their main trainers are ORDIT registered, but you would need to check on your specific trainer.

The one thing that makes me very nervous is the silly "earn up to £40k a year" bit. They are doing the usual thing for driving schools who want to sell their services which is to tell you the theoretic figures, rather than the realistic figures.

To be honest, very few individual ADIs working on a franchise can expect to earn above £25k. They may tell you that by working 35 hours a week with them you will earn £28k, but they do not promise that they will provide enough customers to get to these 35 hours of tuition. If you go independent then with good business management up to £30k is possible (but rare) and if you decide to develop the business into ADI or Fleet training then higher wages are possible (but that's what everyone else is doing too, so the market is becoming swamped). Starting your own driving school is a possibility, but beware - it's not as easy as it seems (even the big guys are struggling at the moment).

They also don't tell you that for every hour of paid tuition you will have around 1/2 an hour of dead/travel/admin time to add to that (turning a 35 hour week into a 52.5 hour week at least).

Or that if you have 35 hours booked into your diary, you'll probably have some cancellations, so to ensure the income you'll need to book in around 38 hours. This is the point where you become so tired you are praying that people will cancel.

Or that to maintain a busy diary your services will be most in demand between 5 and 9 at night and on saturdays and sundays - not very family friendly.

Other than that, like you guys, it would be nice to know if anyone has trained with them and has personal experience.

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#4 02-10-08 21:56:52

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Re: key instructor training

Just noticed too that on their learner website they're doing a 5 for £49 offer.

Does the instructor have to take the hit, or will the company ensure that the instructor is paid full price for these subsidised lessons?

Why do they feel the need to do this offer - are they having trouble finding customers?

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#5 03-10-08 07:47:25

arsengod
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Re: key instructor training

Can't help you on specifics with this company guys, but if you can give us details of what you have been promised we'll be able to help you work out how much is true, how much is baloney and how much of it would need clarifying before you should hand over any cash.

Had a look at their site, which seems professional enough. They're Lancashire based, which means that if you're not from the area they may not be able to provide training when you need it. Their main trainers are ORDIT registered, but you would need to check on your specific trainer.

The one thing that makes me very nervous is the silly "earn up to £40k a year" bit. They are doing the usual thing for driving schools who want to sell their services which is to tell you the theoretic figures, rather than the realistic figures.

To be honest, very few individual ADIs working on a franchise can expect to earn above £25k. They may tell you that by working 35 hours a week with them you will earn £28k, but they do not promise that they will provide enough customers to get to these 35 hours of tuition. If you go independent then with good business management up to £30k is possible (but rare) and if you decide to develop the business into ADI or Fleet training then higher wages are possible (but that's what everyone else is doing too, so the market is becoming swamped). Starting your own driving school is a possibility, but beware - it's not as easy as it seems (even the big guys are struggling at the moment).

They also don't tell you that for every hour of paid tuition you will have around 1/2 an hour of dead/travel/admin time to add to that (turning a 35 hour week into a 52.5 hour week at least).

Or that if you have 35 hours booked into your diary, you'll probably have some cancellations, so to ensure the income you'll need to book in around 38 hours. This is the point where you become so tired you are praying that people will cancel.

Or that to maintain a busy diary your services will be most in demand between 5 and 9 at night and on saturdays and sundays - not very family friendly.

Other than that, like you guys, it would be nice to know if anyone has trained with them and has personal experience.

thank you a lot of very interesting points to take on board

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#6 03-10-08 20:51:52

Paulski
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Re: key instructor training

Totall agree with all the above..

Just wanted to add that on the 'earnings' page, they state that to carry out 1 lesson the fuel bill will cost you, wait for it........

1 POUND

Clearly I am going to the wrong garage...


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#7 11-10-08 17:01:27

classicrally
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Re: key instructor training

Hi I've just registered because I want to become an ADI. I was thinking of going with Key but I too was bothered about the £1 per lesson on the fuel. What did appeal was the car, insurance maintenance etc. I was thinking of becoming a franchise just for a year after passing but think that I need to look into it all a bit more.

Can anyone offer me some advice?

Thanks

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#8 11-10-08 17:32:29

timmanwaringadi
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Re: key instructor training

Classicrally - keep looking, keep researching.

There's a lot of good trainers out there who have no interest in selling you a franchise, and plenty of franchises out there who don't care who you have trained with.

Separate the two issues from each other and you'll find things much easier.

Look for the best training you can get first - without this, nothing else will fit into place.

Get involved in the forum, and if you have any questions feel free to post them. We've all been there and we can give you some good advice most of the time. Start a new thread if you can't find an answer, let people know where you are and someone may have a recommendation for you.

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#9 11-10-08 18:12:14

classicrally
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Re: key instructor training

Thanks. It was my cousins husband that put me intouch with this site. He's an ADI in Northern Ireland. I'm based on the Wirral just over the water from Liverpool. I've only been on for 30mins and already have quite different thoughts.

Can I sort out the part1 myself and would it be easy enough to get instruction for P2 and P3 after? Anybody willing to help me would be appreciated smile

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#10 11-10-08 18:18:21

timmanwaringadi
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Re: key instructor training

Part 1 shouldn't be particularly difficult to do on your own (maybe with some help from your cousin's husband? Certainly with help on here.) the DSA do a starter pack for ADIs and they publish the question bank.

Some of the CDROMS (Focus? - maybe someone can confirm this) include the part 1 theory and the hazard perception (marked for ADI standards).

For parts 2 and 3 a good trainer will be essential and will save you both time and money. These 2 parts are inextricably linked, so by working on them both with the same trainer you will find it much easier.

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#11 11-10-08 22:51:34

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Re: key instructor training

Tim's gone the long way round, but he's saying if its too good to be true it probably is!

Most PDI's find this out too late.


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#12 11-10-08 23:31:31

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Re: key instructor training

yep tim right on both. i dont do adi training, but as stated it is reasonably possible to do a lot of this work yourself.part 2 you will need a tainer/adi - part 3 you WILL need a good trainer. i know a few who use the wirral. i would - i live there? btw who's key? new one on me?


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#13 31-10-08 20:33:14

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Re: key instructor training

hi guys

firstly great site - glad i found it, i may be a bit late but i trained to become an adi with this company.  qualified in around 4 months, the training really was first class.  the firm is smaller than some and the gaffer really looks after you.  ti now a franchised adi with them, i did work for the 5 for 49 offer for the first 2 - 3 weeks while my diary built up but now i am on 21.50 an hour or 20.00 if the pupils book in 10's

a friend of mine is now with key, and has his part 3 next week, he too sings their praise (he trained with instruter college and failed part 3 three times so had to wait 2 years) anyway on his 2ns time round (this time with Key) he says he feels very confident in passing!

one thing i will say, they offer a guaranteed pass and wow do they mean it.  i stuggled a touch with part 3 and they gave me loads of extra training for free before my p3 - didnt have to ask, didnt even have to pay !

anyone with any quesions please do get in touch, but generally i very pleased with key

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