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#1 29-10-08 15:57:56

MFB
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"ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Hi All

There is a Driving Instructor in my area that was showing a Pink Triangle training licence that expired in Sept 08. I have seen him lately showing a Green Triangle in place of the pink.
What is this badge?
Thanks
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#2 29-10-08 21:26:15

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Never heard of a green triangle. Only Pink for trainee and square Green for qualified. Might be worth having a closer look if you see him again. Does he have a school name and telephone number on the car? Might be worth a call to find out what he's up to.

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#3 29-10-08 22:42:15

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

I have contacted the DSA several times to see if his website and very signwritten car is infringing the rules of a PDI regarding advertising or misrepresentation as there is no mention anywhere on his site of his mentor/mentors company etc but basically they don't seem interested at all, just very breifly gave a blurb about mustn't advertise yourelf or represent yourself as being an ADI. This I all knew, however I would love to cover my car with equally loud decals and advertising my company name and make my website live etc but cannot.
I have read elsewhere on this forum about the lack of interest by the DSA

Oh well

Anyone else seen or heard of a Green Triangle badge?

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#4 29-10-08 22:44:28

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Ive seen a different shape green badge on an AA car before....its not a fleet badge is it  :?  :?

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#5 29-10-08 22:52:12

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

I think I know what you mean but it is in the same place as the pink/green badge would be and nothing else. I know for a fact that there used to be a Pink triangle there back in about August.
I must have a lookout for him and leap out in front of him and check it out ( maybe an excuse to try on my lollypop lady outfit.)

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#6 29-10-08 22:59:11

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

I must have a lookout for him and leap out in front of him and check it out ( maybe an excuse to try on my lollypop lady outfit.)

Each to their own i spose  tongue  tongue
(<--------------- bear in mind it says your male  yikes )

Ahhhh just looked on google images...fleet badge is orange so its not that...be interesting to find out what it is  :?

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#7 30-10-08 07:56:22

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Guess I will have to contact DSA to find out what it is .

If I do find out I will post on here for peoples interest

MFB

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#8 30-10-08 20:10:55

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Might it be a parking permit?

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#9 30-10-08 20:41:25

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Hi
Don't think it's a parking permit (and if it is - where is his pink trainee licence or green if he has now qualified).

I am hoping to be able to find his car parked up so I can get a really good look at whatever it is. I'll keep you posted.

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#10 30-10-08 21:32:28

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Its very possible that the badge had faded thru the summer, because the licence has expired it doesn't automatically mean its not legal.

It maybe that he's applied for a 2nd or 3rd licence and its been rejected.
He has the right to display it for an additional 14 days while his appeal is taking place, even then if he gets declined on that decision he gets i think another 14 days while the appeal is being processed.

With regards to the advertsing, he has right to advertise himself with his sponsors permission, providing he is not advertising himself as a FULLY Qualified instructor, and his sponsor is not in breach of his/her current contract with the school involved.

Forget contacting DSA's 0300 *** **** number, your wasting your time
instead call this number:
02920 58 11 55 (Office hours)
or 02920 581 290 (24 Hr Answer Machine)
e-mail: integrity.team@dsa.gsi.gov.uk

We'll spotted though.


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#11 30-10-08 22:41:16

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

& possibly changed shape too  :?  tongue

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#12 30-10-08 22:52:32

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Thanks for your replies

I have actually spoken once and had various e-mail contact with the integrity team and had very vague responses regarding how a PDI may represent themselves and general disinterest.

I have contacted Them again today asking what this badge is but have had no response yet

By the way this badge was pink in august and is actually green now,not faded!

Interesting, huh?

Will keep an eye out for him

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#13 30-10-08 23:07:46

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

ok, got a question, what if he is colour blind, the triangle lines warped due to the excesive british heat, and DSA, just possible printed the wrong date ?
then what ?


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#14 30-10-08 23:15:00

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

errr....you may have a point...

I'll put my lollypop lady outfit away then..

Oh well

MFB

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#15 30-10-08 23:28:07

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Pink badges can fade to grey. Perhaps his windows have a tint in them that makes the badge appear green from a distance?

BTW Rockin. ADI badge and licence is not square, its octagonal.

Regards, Dimmy.

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#16 14-11-08 18:49:28

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Hi

Well, at last I have seen this guy's badge again.

It is black writing on a pale background so I concede it is probably a faded pink ticket. However, I notice it expired on 21/09/08. He is still taking pupils out and his website is still live and his car with its decals still give the impression he is a qualified instructor.

I would love to have your opinions about his site/car and if you feel he is breaking any rules - if you PM I can give you the link to his site.

I have given up with the Fraud & Integrity Department at the DSA as I have now had my last two emails totally ignored.

Being a PDI, myself, I am sorely tempted to start using my roof board and make my website live as the DSA appear to not give two hoots about others doing this.

MFB


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#17 14-11-08 19:00:49

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

He may have applied for, and is appealing for a 2nd trainee licence.

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#18 14-11-08 19:57:21

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Try trading standards. They have thousands more operatives than the DSA and may be interested in taking the case.

Be patient mfb and do things right, then you can take the moral high ground when you need to.

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#19 24-11-08 23:35:24

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

The subject of PDIs advertising has been discussed many times,
PDIs cannot advertise themselves as ADIs, but they can advertise as
licensed driving Instructors, because that is what they are.
Whether you agree or not, I'm afraid thats how it is. 8-)


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#20 25-11-08 12:43:29

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Hi all

Thanks for the pm fin

Have just checked his site and notice he has now changed his status on the enquiries page on his website to DSA.ADI instead of DSA.PDI so it looks as tho he has got away with it.

I have sent the web link to you Fin so you can have a look. It is all exactly the same as before including offering passplus etc.
Overall a bit cheesy but still very convincing of being fully qualified etc
I suppose the point is he hasn't actually said he is an Approved instructor but used suggestion. He certainly didn't make it clear that PDI meant Potential (ie Trainee) and not Professional and I guess the passplus could have been done by someone else

I suppose we could start a debate about if a Trainee should be allowed to charge the same amount as a Professional anyway! Lets face it ,if you call a Plumber and they turn up in a new van all plastered in decals (suggesting they are a Plumber ie pics of taps and bits of pipe etc!)  and then pay £40-£60 +vat ph for their services then surely it is fair to assume they are qualified !

MFB

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#21 26-11-08 09:19:52

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

wouldn't it be easier to simply call him ?
If he's nothing to hide, then he'll tell you.

You dont have to say who you are !


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#22 26-11-08 11:12:50

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Hi all

I agree there is nothing wrong at all with his site now!

There is a misunderstanding

Until about a fortnight ago this site said PDI, buried away in some far flung corner ,and has done since it went live in about January this year!
Everything else was the same including offering Passplus etc with no mention that the company being advertised wasn't himself ( ie his sponsor/mentor)  or making clear that he is a Trainee.

The overall impression/wording of his site and car was that of a Qualified Driving Instructor/School.
My main point was that this was not allowed and unfair to other PDI's that would also like to "crank" up business and potential future clients but are told by the DSA and numerous other sources that this is in no way acceptable
I have been told, by the DSA, on no account can I make my site live or put signage on my car as this could represent or possibly mislead people, into believing that I was as an Approved Driving Instructor/school

I would now assume that he is qualified and congratulations to him, so all this is academic. 

Regards to all
MFB


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#23 26-11-08 14:09:23

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

SO he has a green badge in his window, or is there still an expired one ??


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#24 26-11-08 15:25:12

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

He could still work on an expired pink if it has one to appeal, and by the sounds of it has passed while waiting.  However his expired pink becomes invalid on passing, so if waiting for green is breaking the law.  If he had a valid pink, could work on that until green arrives.


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#25 26-11-08 16:28:59

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Re: "ADI(?)" showing Green Triangle Badge

Hi All
Simple Question, have just qualified, can I go out and teach or do I have
to have the greenie in me hand? big_smile


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